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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 21 Feb 23 7.56am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Anyway, after the recent discovery of poor Nicola Bulleys Body, Very sad news and condolences to here family, it appears a spiritual Medium, Jason Rothwell, Helped the Police find her,
I payed a visit yesterday to Juan Jacobo Gonzalez, a well known Spiritualist on my beloved island, to see if he could predict PVs and Palaces future, So, he predicted the PV would be relieved of his duties on April 3rd, after our home defeat by Leicester, putting us 4th from bottom, 2 points above the relegation zone, spooky stuff, make of it what you will

 


“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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TheBigToePunt Flag 21 Feb 23 7.57am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

As Mr T Punt has said it's Dougie and Parish that sign players and not Vieira but intriguingly Everton (amongst others) wanted to buy Mateta in January and we quoted them the ridiculous price of £15m which is considerably more than we paid for him

If that's the case I'd imagine that's a reflection of how hard it is to get a replacement for even Mateta in the January market.

Personally I'd have driven him to goodison myself.

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 21 Feb 23 7.59am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'm sure he's kept in the loop to some extent but it is evidently Freedman who is responsible for transfers. I thought everyone knew that?

He deals with the nuts and bolts of the transfers and recommends players to the manager, thats it.

 


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southnorwoodhill Flag 21 Feb 23 8.00am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'm sure he's kept in the loop to some extent but it is evidently Freedman who is responsible for transfers. I thought everyone knew that?

The recent signings of French speakers of West African origin in the team suggests some input from Vieira. I find it hard to believe that Freedman was aware of, or could facilitate, the transfers of Doucoure and Ahamada without Vieira's knowledge and involvement.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (21 Feb 2023 8.12am)

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 23 8.00am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'm sure he's kept in the loop to some extent but it is evidently Freedman who is responsible for transfers. I thought everyone knew that?

It's an interesting one as I had always assumed Freedman was responsible for, let's say, the scouting and a shortlist. I would assume the manager would have some say into the 'type' of player that needs looking at. Freedman goes off, identifies the 'type' of player with Parish and co. dictating the budget range and comes back to make recommendations. That's very much my/an assumption.

Whilst a world away from PL transfers, there's a lot of blurring of responsibility for x, y and z in my own professional 'team' and I would struggle to take too seriously those who suggest they know the exact ins and outs of all our activity.

I would not be inclined to believe PV has the sole responsibility and authority nor no say whatsoever in the matter. As to who-does-what it may be a battle of wills etc. and with an existing set up perhaps a new manager may be disinclined to assert his thoughts too aggressively? All speculation from me however, again, not a Danny La Rue!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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TheBigToePunt Flag 21 Feb 23 8.26am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Whenever the subject of transfers comes up, all parties make it clear that Freedman runs the show.

Parish says in his occasional club website interviews that Dougie and his team are working hard on signings. When asked how pleased he is with a new signing, Vieira said that credit should be given to Dougie for the player. When asked about the need for new transfers, Roy got to the point of saying 'Don't ask me, ask Dougie Freedman and the chairman'. Vieira has begun to say similar things.

Or to put it another way, when was the last time you ever heard of a Palace manager being under pressure because the chairman and dof weren't happy with the managers transfer dealings?

 

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thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 21 Feb 23 8.38am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Back to the subject! Feel our team is good enough for midtable, not so sure about the manager and his assistant.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Feb 23 8.55am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Whenever the subject of transfers comes up, all parties make it clear that Freedman runs the show.

Parish says in his occasional club website interviews that Dougie and his team are working hard on signings. When asked how pleased he is with a new signing, Vieira said that credit should be given to Dougie for the player. When asked about the need for new transfers, Roy got to the point of saying 'Don't ask me, ask Dougie Freedman and the chairman'. Vieira has begun to say similar things.

Or to put it another way, when was the last time you ever heard of a Palace manager being under pressure because the chairman and dof weren't happy with the managers transfer dealings?

That's all true but a lot of that, for me anyway, sounds like Dougie is primarily involved in the operational side of things. As to the actual strategy, I really do struggle to see PV having no say/involvement whatsoever. If so, that seems a very disjointed and impractical model. It may well be the case however I am not arguing it is not.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 21 Feb 23 9.13am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

It makes zero sense for a manager not to have a large amount of input into who gets signed. It’s almost like saying the manager is irrelevant. Maybe PV doesn’t which would explain why we buy and sell goalkeepers like they are weekly veg. What was the point of signing Butland and Johnstone and now we are supposed to be looking at the Getafe keeper as well as having Matthews on loan and two youngsters in the wings. Is Dougie going for a whole team of keepers?

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 21 Feb 23 9.25am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

In any event, the fact remains that we have poor strikers. I find it difficult to believe that PV is content with his options up front, and so return to my original point: I think he's done pretty well this season, given he is not only without a goalscoring forward, but also without a forward to lead the line well, make well-timed and dangerous runs, bring others into play quickly and neatly, and stretch opposition defences.

I had a very quick run through of the forwards at all the other Premier league teams, and it really is hard to think of a club with worse forwards than ours. Gallagher gave us goals from midfield last season, which offset the problem, but now it's more evident. I remain of the opinion that Vieira should not be judged harshly until he has a decent striker to call upon.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Feb 23 9.44am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Whenever the subject of transfers comes up, all parties make it clear that Freedman runs the show.

Parish says in his occasional club website interviews that Dougie and his team are working hard on signings. When asked how pleased he is with a new signing, Vieira said that credit should be given to Dougie for the player. When asked about the need for new transfers, Roy got to the point of saying 'Don't ask me, ask Dougie Freedman and the chairman'. Vieira has begun to say similar things.

Or to put it another way, when was the last time you ever heard of a Palace manager being under pressure because the chairman and dof weren't happy with the managers transfer dealings?

My understanding ;

* Manager / PV - has a requirement for a player in eg defensive midfield
* Parish approves budget
* Freedman sources potentials
* Player/s that fits profile ( age, fee, wages ) identified and recommended
* Parish, Freedman and PV agree to proceed

The bit that I am missing is how empowered the manager is at end part of the process. I say that after the Hodgson era in which he didn't use some of the signings that were made.

 


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Uphill Flag Bedford 21 Feb 23 9.50am Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Two things most worry me about him.

1. Game management
2. Fitness of the players

Against Brentford , with our lack of goals, a one goal lead has to be protected, more competent managers would have made sure that keeping the ball was essential.

Apparently stats prove that Palace cover less ground in a match then any other team so how can you expect success if this basic requirement is not addressed? Elementary or what...

And I see again on this and other threads that we can look forward to an 'easier' run in April with more 'winnable' games against lower teams. I believe that is a fallacy as those in the relegation battle will be more dangerous when fighting to stay up so don't rely on it.

 


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