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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 20 Feb 23 7.14am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Interesting to note the body language on the touchline, slightly defensive, hunched over, certainly nothing celebratory or exhortative. And the post match interviews, the repetitions, the general downer demeanour.
I wonder if Pat is enjoying his time here.

 

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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Flag 20 Feb 23 7.21am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Our game against Fulham fell apart because James Tompkins was back from injury, with no recent game time under his belt having to fill in for Marc Guehi who was out on suspension - JT had easily the worst game I have seen him play since time began-
Had someone else filled the spot that day its unlikely the outcome would have been so dire -

Originally posted by PatrickA

Iím torn on Vieira.
He seems very personable, has good football principles in terms of how he wants to play the game and appears to be a draw for attracting players to the club.
However, is the team better than the sum of itís parts?
I look at Fulham for example, who totally dominated us at Selhurst.
One centre half in his mid thirties, the other a former West Ham reserve.
A midfield made up of Reed (who couldnít get into Southamptonís team), Pereira (£10m from Man Utd) and Paulinha.
An attack made up of an average former Bristol City forward, an Arsenal reject who was seen as past it and admittedly a very good forward in Mitrovic.
They are not huge names but appear to operate as a well oiled machine with balance all over the field and look very well coached.
You could make similar observations about the likes of Brentford and Brighton.

People point to squad deficiencies as a reason for our struggles, but are our players any worse than those in the above teams?
These teams have players who are not exactly household names nor cost a fortune.
Spending big sums as West Ham, Leeds and Everton have done is not necessarily always the answer.
Which brings me back to Vieira.
If you accept that you donít have to have 11 outstanding players to make a good team should our core of talented players ( Anderson, Guehi, Doucoure, Eze, Olise, Zaha) provide enough of a platform for a well coached team to produce better performances and results?
This is where I think the jury is still out on Vieira.

 

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View HesHereHesThere's Profile HesHereHesThere Flag Beckenham 20 Feb 23 7.54am Send a Private Message to HesHereHesThere Add HesHereHesThere as a friend

Iím not sure what everyone expected from PV, wasnít he our third or fourth choice of manager? I think heís showing why if Iím honest.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 20 Feb 23 8.42am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend


The central point wasnít the game against Fulham in isolation.
It related to teams who are better than the sum of their parts as a result of good coaching and organisation.
Regardless of whether Tompkins played well or not, Fulham were better than us all over the field on the day and have produced better form than us over the course of the season. It wasnít a one off display against us.
This despite not being a team not packed with household names.
The same with the likes of Brentford and Brighton this season, who are both well balanced and well coached teams .
It could be argued that our team is not greater than the sum of itís parts and that itís not necessary to have a team packed full of household names to produce a good team.
We defend reasonably well, but offer very little threat going forward and do not give the impression of being being a balanced team who can also threaten the opposition.

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Our game against Fulham fell apart because James Tompkins was back from injury, with no recent game time under his belt having to fill in for Marc Guehi who was out on suspension - JT had easily the worst game I have seen him play since time began-
Had someone else filled the spot that day its unlikely the outcome would have been so dire -

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 20 Feb 23 8.52am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Interesting to note the body language on the touchline, slightly defensive, hunched over, certainly nothing celebratory or exhortative. And the post match interviews, the repetitions, the general downer demeanour.
I wonder if Pat is enjoying his time here.

Agree with noted points however I wonder if it's more 'football management' as opposed to Palace that has PV down?

I think PV is good for the younger lads and has obviously bought into footballing ideologies he was privy to however I am starting to question whether he is really 'cut out' for it?

Motivation, game management, tactical nous, winning mentality, etc. etc. are all things good let alone great managers have.

PV seems able to attract players, make the younger lads feel at home and has some nice footballing ideals however I feel is lacking in a few key areas which make us look a soft and fragile touch atm. Some small elements of management, which could be considered as basic, just seem absent and it is holding us back if not costing us dear.

PV seems more suited to part of a coaching team as opposed to the leader of one. Just an observation and opinion from me of course.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 20 Feb 23 9.36am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Agree with noted points however I wonder if it's more 'football management' as opposed to Palace that has PV down?

I think PV is good for the younger lads and has obviously bought into footballing ideologies he was privy to however I am starting to question whether he is really 'cut out' for it?

Motivation, game management, tactical nous, winning mentality, etc. etc. are all things good let alone great managers have.

PV seems able to attract players, make the younger lads feel at home and has some nice footballing ideals however I feel is lacking in a few key areas which make us look a soft and fragile touch atm. Some small elements of management, which could be considered as basic, just seem absent and it is holding us back if not costing us dear.

PV seems more suited to part of a coaching team as opposed to the leader of one. Just an observation and opinion from me of course.

The Peter Principle. Just maybe.

 

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 20 Feb 23 11.04am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Agree with noted points however I wonder if it's more 'football management' as opposed to Palace that has PV down?

I think PV is good for the younger lads and has obviously bought into footballing ideologies he was privy to however I am starting to question whether he is really 'cut out' for it?

Motivation, game management, tactical nous, winning mentality, etc. etc. are all things good let alone great managers have.

PV seems able to attract players, make the younger lads feel at home and has some nice footballing ideals however I feel is lacking in a few key areas which make us look a soft and fragile touch atm. Some small elements of management, which could be considered as basic, just seem absent and it is holding us back if not costing us dear.

PV seems more suited to part of a coaching team as opposed to the leader of one. Just an observation and opinion from me of course.

Nail on head, Taxi for Vieira.

 


You can only accomplish your object in life by complete disregard of the opinions of other people.
Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people. The key of joy is disobedience.
Aleister Crowley

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Feb 23 11.21am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad


Nail on head, Taxi for Vieira.

I suspect Lanzo would have a preference for 'Express Cars'.

Edited by Willo (20 Feb 2023 11.22am)

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 20 Feb 23 11.34am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

I know the guy comes across as a bit unassuming. But I struggle to believe that he doesn't have any fight or leadership skills.

You cant play like he did and then turn into a melt of a manager

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 20 Feb 23 11.36am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

We all knew this run of fixtures was unlikely to yield a significant amount of points, but as it is we possibly have one or two points more than expected. Against Brentford we were on a par with them performance wise, which I think indicates when we do start playing the teams below us we'll start picking up wins again, as most of them are not as organised as the Bees. I think we also have a solid spine now with Guehi, Andersen, Doucoure and Lokonga/Hughes. This should mean when we do come up against teams around our level the likes of Olise, Eze and Wilf should have more opportunities to venture forward. On a positive note, I saw a stat yesterday that Olise has more assists in the last two seasons than any other player aged under 21 in Europe's top leagues.

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 20 Feb 23 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

We all knew this run of fixtures was unlikely to yield a significant amount of points, but as it is we possibly have one or two points more than expected. Against Brentford we were on a par with them performance wise, which I think indicates when we do start playing the teams below us we'll start picking up wins again, as most of them are not as organised as the Bees. I think we also have a solid spine now with Guehi, Andersen, Doucoure and Lokonga/Hughes. This should mean when we do come up against teams around our level the likes of Olise, Eze and Wilf should have more opportunities to venture forward. On a positive note, I saw a stat yesterday that Olise has more assists in the last two seasons than any other player aged under 21 in Europe's top leagues.

Particularly impressive given that most of his crosses have ended up in headers or shots into row Z

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 20 Feb 23 1.19pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I know the guy comes across as a bit unassuming. But I struggle to believe that he doesn't have any fight or leadership skills.

You cant play like he did and then turn into a melt of a manager

Roy Keane, Bryan Robson, Bobby Moore, Frank Lamparard, hmmmmm

 


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Ordinary morality is only for ordinary people. The key of joy is disobedience.
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