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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 26 Apr 23 7.18am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Wisbech - I agree 100% with your first paragraph but suspect that the left/remainer thing may have to come into play a bit.
From what I have read and listened to, Raab was a tough taskmaster and they didn't like it.
Apparently - "abrasive" management is now construed as bullying in the workplace - a fact that will not have helped him.
My take is that there is something there that the public will never know about, otherwise Sunak would have stood up for him - or should have anyway.
It would have been a good bit of judgement, after all - what is wrong with expecting people to do the jobs that they are paid for?
There were people making or backing up complaints who never even met the man - are they still in their jobs - of course they are!
Employment protocol was apparently not followed by the Civil Service either - maybe Ministers are not covered by that?
Whichever way it went, it was a witch hunt and it is a dangerous precedent.
Whatever or whoever they don't like they can now find a way to get rid of someone regardless of the fact that half of them are still sitting at home on our pay!
I am no lover of Raab but whoever is in power - the CC needs to work for them with complete impartiality.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 23 4.00pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Wisbech - I agree 100% with your first paragraph but suspect that the left/remainer thing may have to come into play a bit.
From what I have read and listened to, Raab was a tough taskmaster and they didn't like it.
Apparently - "abrasive" management is now construed as bullying in the workplace - a fact that will not have helped him.
My take is that there is something there that the public will never know about, otherwise Sunak would have stood up for him - or should have anyway.
It would have been a good bit of judgement, after all - what is wrong with expecting people to do the jobs that they are paid for?
There were people making or backing up complaints who never even met the man - are they still in their jobs - of course they are!
Employment protocol was apparently not followed by the Civil Service either - maybe Ministers are not covered by that?
Whichever way it went, it was a witch hunt and it is a dangerous precedent.
Whatever or whoever they don't like they can now find a way to get rid of someone regardless of the fact that half of them are still sitting at home on our pay!
I am no lover of Raab but whoever is in power - the CC needs to work for them with complete impartiality.

I have an email on file sent a few months ago by a Minister to my MP over an issue she raised on my behalf. This indicates that, this Minister at least, is sh*t scared of the civil servants in their department and unwilling to challenge them over detailed decisions they have made. It feels completely counterintuitive to me. I have another meeting with my MP scheduled which will test how far she is prepared to go!

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Apr 23 4.57pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

From Bristow (remember the great tea-trolley disaster) to Raab and Gray.

Civil Service rules ok?

No need for whips we have other ways to administrate.

 

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 26 Apr 23 4.59pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have an email on file sent a few months ago by a Minister to my MP over an issue she raised on my behalf. This indicates that, this Minister at least, is sh*t scared of the civil servants in their department and unwilling to challenge them over detailed decisions they have made. It feels completely counterintuitive to me. I have another meeting with my MP scheduled which will test how far she is prepared to go!

I bet your MP can't wait.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Apr 23 6.43pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

From Bristow (remember the great tea-trolley disaster) to Raab and Gray.

Civil Service rules ok?

No need for whips we have other ways to administrate.

Health department officials ‘raised concerns’ about Steve Barclay’s behaviour.

If he doesn't get his tea and biccies, it's serious.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Apr 23 6.46pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Health department officials ‘raised concerns’ about Steve Barclay’s behaviour.

If he doesn't get his tea and biccies, it's serious.

I will put these ramblings down to post match blues

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Apr 23 6.48pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have an email on file sent a few months ago by a Minister to my MP over an issue she raised on my behalf. This indicates that, this Minister at least, is sh*t scared of the civil servants in their department and unwilling to challenge them over detailed decisions they have made. It feels completely counterintuitive to me. I have another meeting with my MP scheduled which will test how far she is prepared to go!

From my recollection when I criticised senior civil servants, you were fully supportive of them

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Apr 23 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

From my recollection when I criticised senior civil servants, you were fully supportive of them

I cannot recall that but I try to treat everything on its merits. I have no idea how senior the civil servants are who have been dealing with me but it’s gradually been going up a ladder of more important sounding titles. The responses though make Sir Humphrey sound like the author of the clear English guide. They are repetitive, state the obvious and studiously avoid the point.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Apr 23 10.41pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I cannot recall that but I try to treat everything on its merits. I have no idea how senior the civil servants are who have been dealing with me but it’s gradually been going up a ladder of more important sounding titles. The responses though make Sir Humphrey sound like the author of the clear English guide. They are repetitive, state the obvious and studiously avoid the point.

Mmmmm

 

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footythoughts Flag Beckenham 27 Apr 23 1.33am

Originally posted by cryrst

Mmmmm

Unless his post turned you on, you likely mean Hmmmm .

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 27 Apr 23 1.39am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have an email on file sent a few months ago by a Minister to my MP over an issue she raised on my behalf. This indicates that, this Minister at least, is sh*t scared of the civil servants in their department and unwilling to challenge them over detailed decisions they have made. It feels completely counterintuitive to me. I have another meeting with my MP scheduled which will test how far she is prepared to go!

Is this the "Boris Johnson owes me 10,000" fantasy again?

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Apr 23 4.38am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by footythoughts

Unless his post turned you on, you likely mean Hmmmm .

I will take that one and no to the first bit

 

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