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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Nov 23 10.13am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I suspect there are many who have concluded that the introduction of VAR is a "Clear and obvious error".

I'd argue against that Willo!

It's the implementation of it that I find fault with, not the introduction of technology. That's not to suggest I consider myself the holder of the answers, I am only picking holes, but it is safe to say it has not been done with any degree of success.

 


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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 28 Nov 23 10.27am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I would scrap VAR and go back to allowing referees to have the confidence in themselves to make their own decisions, the good and the bad.

Incorrect decisions were always a frustration that could be at least understood as human error. Introducing this technology should mitigate at least and remove at best those instances. But it doesnít do it consistently. And this is where the VAR officials behave as they do on the pitch , inconsistent application of the laws.

Last night at Fulham , the contact made on Wilson was similar to that on Eze against Everton. Fulham get a penalty and a goal, we ended up with our player booked for simulation.

Ream last night and Young of Everton on SundayÖ.both already on a yellow card , both concede penalties but neither received a second yellow . As for the headbutt incident, the referees post match explanation beggars belief.

Refereeing standards were not good enough pre VAR and if anything they are getting worse. And VAR just sucking the life out of the game

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Nov 23 12.19pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

We should help officials get it right by simplifying their task.

Handball to be deliberate arm to ball.

Offside when the ball is last kicked a player is in completely
in front.

Fouls to be deliberate.

Take away all the areas of confusion.

There will be mistakes but VAR is making more.

And it is a circus, it is a farce really, guess which way the VAR is going today.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Nov 23 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

We should help officials get it right by simplifying their task.

Handball to be deliberate arm to ball.

Offside when the ball is last kicked a player is in completely
in front.

Fouls to be deliberate.

Take away all the areas of confusion.

There will be mistakes but VAR is making more.

And it is a circus, it is a farce really, guess which way the VAR is going today.

This extracted piece was posted on the BBC Sport feed today and I think is quite close to the mark for me:

"We are told its not there to re referee a game but game after game across the entire premiership we are seeing it do just that. Reduce VAR to offsides and serious foul play and give the powers back to referees so they can referee a game."

If you had a shortlist of what would/wouldn't be looked at, with very clear wording around what constitutes a VAR intervention, the technology should be in place to support decision making.

Edited by Nicholas91 (28 Nov 2023 12.59pm)

 


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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 29 Nov 23 11.06am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

It was meant to be for "clear and obvious errors" but it now checks every single goal and goes back over various phases of play when doing so - that is a joke.
Linesmen/women should put their flag up when it is obvious - half a yard or so - rather than let play continue - that tells the Ref that he isn't sure.
Offsides should be clear not half a knee etc.
Penalties should be as per the referee as opposed to them all being reviewed - if the ref couldn't possibly see slight contact and a cheat falling over then stick with his decision - it is a contact sport after all.
The only issue is that it becomes subjective within the VAR room and one man will say clear and obvious while another says it isn't.
If the players stopped cheating then the ref would have an easier job for starters.
I would ditch VAR and have Hawkeye for the curtilage of the pitch and offsides - if that can be done.
Leave the rest to the on pitch officials.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Nov 23 11.32am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

As VAR continues to be refined and integrated into football, it is clear that the dialogue and debate surrounding its implementation will persist, highlighting the ongoing negotiations between tradition, technology and the pursuit of fairness within the game.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 29 Nov 23 1.23pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend


said it before, and i'll say it again. VAR is broke.

The technology is obviously not good or advanced enough for the imbeciles they have using it to apply it effectively.

we're getting to a point where we need a VAR for VAR, so the VAR can catch the clear and obvious errors VAR makes.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Nov 23 1.39pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger


said it before, and i'll say it again. VAR is broke.

The technology is obviously not good or advanced enough for the imbeciles they have using it to apply it effectively.

we're getting to a point where we need a VAR for VAR, so the VAR can catch the clear and obvious errors VAR makes.

I heard some gentleman opine, in relation to penalty decisions, that the VAR, with all the camera angles, should make the call if he/she believes the incident is worthy of a spot-kick and to hell with all this "High bar" / "Clear and obvious" concept.
This would negate the charade of the referee being referred to the monitor and spending minutes reviewing the footage before agreeing with the VAR !

The powers are very conscious of the game not being re-refereed and wish the final decision to rest with the on-field official, accordingly I cannot envisage this change being introduced.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 29 Nov 23 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

We should help officials get it right by simplifying their task.

Handball to be deliberate arm to ball.

Offside when the ball is last kicked a player is in completely
in front.

Fouls to be deliberate.

Take away all the areas of confusion.

There will be mistakes but VAR is making more.

And it is a circus, it is a farce really, guess which way the VAR is going today.

What you mean is football as it used to be, before itís been taken over VAR officials, who are faceless.

Rugby has it right, the ref calls for their version of VAR, itís not automatic. He tells them what he wants checked and nothing else. Itís simple and works well.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Nov 23 1.52pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

What you mean is football as it used to be, before itís been taken over VAR officials, who are faceless.

Rugby has it right, the ref calls for their version of VAR, itís not automatic. He tells them what he wants checked and nothing else. Itís simple and works well.

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Nov 23 2.09pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

What you mean is football as it used to be, before itís been taken over VAR officials, who are faceless.

Rugby has it right, the ref calls for their version of VAR, itís not automatic. He tells them what he wants checked and nothing else. Itís simple and works well.

Completely agree with you Painter . . . [Link]

 


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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 29 Nov 23 8.20pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

When I was a young man, the simple "rule" for a rugby referee was "if you can't see it, you can't give it." Everyone accepted that referees were, like the players and spectators, fallible. I suppose people will say that that can't work in the professional era. My answer would be, "Why not?"

 

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