When we joined the EEC / EU it took many many years for our economy to adjust we have only actually left the EU in the last 2 years.

I still think 5 years is a reasonable time frame to then see how we are doing. We have signed lots of trade deals but it is up to business to take advantage of them but business is still stuck in the cheap labour poor training syndrome.

On a previous thread I posted a well argued article that it doesn't matter whether we are in or out of the EU the same structural problems exist and until they are addressed we may find we are not as competitive as we should be.

However this government whether through stupidity or design has done nothing to address these concerns.

Investment
Change the tax system to encourage the individual and pension funds to invest in the UK in the key areas that lack growth. In the US at one time an individual was able to invest 50k in high risk ventures which if they failed they got much of their money back. So lots of businesses failed but many were successful due to this.

Training / apprenticeships
Business must be told to invest in their workforce rather than subbing everything which ultimately leads to problems (see any major infrastructure project). One solution is for the government to tell bidders they will not be considered unless they have a decent apprenticeship scheme.

T Levels must be expanded to address the key skill shortages.

I could go on but you get the drift. None of this has anything to do with Brexit and all to do with short-termism.

Edited by Badger11 (03 Sep 2023 11.57am)

One more point

I think that is always likely in any major campaign or organisation. How many lefties have joined the National Trust and the RSPB not to mention the RSPA. Stonewal founded by gay activists has now been hijacked by the Trans lobby etc. etc.

Overall though the government, most of business, the trade Unions and many other groups backed Remain.

One more point

I echo that.

If there is a single thing I can perhaps agree with Remainers/Rejoiners on, and even those arseholes who campaigned for a second referendum as I believe they were tucked up as well by way of trying anything to get rid of Corbyn, is how we have all been let down by a political class so lacking in talent that they have both managed to lose a referendum and then f***ed up implementing the result.

Just displaying a sheer, collective, incompetence on a variety of levels that history will not judge kindly.

Politics is meant to be the art of making things happen. These t***s seem incapable of [insert one of many metaphors here]

Edited by Matov (03 Sep 2023 9.05pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

There are very few people as sad as me about this s*** but if you are, then seek out clips on YouTube of Thornberry getting absolutely slaughtered over her attempts to justify/explain Labour's second referendum stance as they are a joy to behold.

Along with being primary evidence for my assertion how this policy was designed to guarantee Labour lost the election and thus ditch Corbyn in the process. Because no other explanation fits. Literal political insanity on every level.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

So you regard me as a “remoaner” do you?

If so my point is proven.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I care very much about trade deals, that work. Not ones which merely confirm whatever is already in place, or are heavily weighted in favour of the other side and agreed by us merely to show we are doing something. Show me one deal which has been agreed post Brexit which is to our benefit and not one which gives access to our market by others.

There is already evidence that leaving has been harmful and no evidence to suggest that will change. Proving a negative cannot be done but logic can be applied and there is nothing positive to be found anywhere.

No one wants anything “for their own ends”! What a ridiculous insult that is. It’s only for the future of our country, our children and grandchildren that we fight to make the case to rejoin. Not to reverse Brexit or the referendum. They are history. No, this is about looking forward, not back.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.