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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 17 Jan 24 6.53am |
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Because Fujitsu , while still a subject of this Inquiry, have recently been awarded a contract to manage a flood alert system in the UK. This whole thing (Inquiry) is beginning to smell really bad. Some notable CBE'd CEO's looking like they might swerve culpability. Is Stephen Bradshaw, a man devoid of any IT knowledge, but led the first investigation into Horizon, going to swerve a jail sentence, or culpability ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Jan 2024 6.53am)
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 21 Jan 24 7.17am |
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Awarding of contracts to a company already under investigation,...why would that happen ? "The Treasury and HMRC are among 21 public sector organisations being asked by MPs to reveal details of any contracts handed to Fujitsu after the Post Office computer system scandal. The Commons Treasury Committee says it wants to discover the extent to which taxpayers' money has been spent on contracts with the company since 2019. That is when the High Court ruled prosecutions were wrongly brought based on Fujitsu's faulty Horizon IT system." (BBC website)
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Feb 24 6.31pm |
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stripped of her CBE "Former Post Office boss Paula Vennells has been formally stripped of her CBE for "bringing the honours system into disrepute", according to the Cabinet Office." (BBC website) She didn't bring the honours system into disrepute. Successive governments have already done that. I'm not too bothered about the CBE.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Feb 24 7.04pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Because Fujitsu , while still a subject of this Inquiry, have recently been awarded a contract to manage a flood alert system in the UK. This whole thing (Inquiry) is beginning to smell really bad. Some notable CBE'd CEO's looking like they might swerve culpability. Is Stephen Bradshaw, a man devoid of any IT knowledge, but led the first investigation into Horizon, going to swerve a jail sentence, or culpability ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Jan 2024 6.53am) Thames Barrier being investigated by police about missing water.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 24 Feb 24 8.23am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
stripped of her CBE "Former Post Office boss Paula Vennells has been formally stripped of her CBE for "bringing the honours system into disrepute", according to the Cabinet Office." (BBC website) She didn't bring the honours system into disrepute. Successive governments have already done that. I'm not too bothered about the CBE. She was being pushed by Comrade Canterbury to be Bishop of London FFS. I agree the honours system has been abused for decades We need to replace the Lords with an elected body, WTF do clerics have a place in there There seems to be foot dragging by the current Govt and offers being made that do not reflect the actual suffering bith financial and reputational Well done Badenoch for calling the guy as a liar but she'd better be able to prove that
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georgenorman  24 Feb 24 9.20pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
She was being pushed by Comrade Canterbury to be Bishop of London FFS. I agree the honours system has been abused for decades We need to replace the Lords with an elected body, WTF do clerics have a place in there There seems to be foot dragging by the current Govt and offers being made that do not reflect the actual suffering bith financial and reputational Well done Badenoch for calling the guy as a liar but she'd better be able to prove that I think an elected Second Chamber would cause more problems than it would solve. They would seek more and more powers and there would be constant antagonism between the two elected bodies - a bit like UK Parliament and Scottish Parliament. Better to just abolish the House of Lords altogether.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Feb 24 2.04am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I think an elected Second Chamber would cause more problems than it would solve. They would seek more and more powers and there would be constant antagonism between the two elected bodies - a bit like UK Parliament and Scottish Parliament. Better to just abolish the House of Lords altogether. I can see an argument for just abolishing as well, is a second chamber needed at all.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 03 Apr 24 1.43pm |
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It transpires, Paula Vennells, knew about withholding of the flawed system information to the defence lawyers of the prosecuted postmasters. She knew two years beforehand, and did nothing about it. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Apr 2024 1.44pm)
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| silvertop Portishead 03 Apr 24 5.46pm |
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My wife raised a point I had no answer to. The prosecutions were the consequence of a faulty software programme, not remote interference. I don't think it has been asserted by anyone that there were e.g. Fujitsu staffers in some secret bunker deliberately falsifying sub post office data to facilitate prosecutions, or even that there was post facto tampering with evidence to retrospectively justify earlier prosecutions. If I am wrong, please can somebody out there correct me. Otherwise, I fail to see the relevance of remote access if it has never been asserted that this ever occurred.
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| silvertop Portishead 03 Apr 24 5.47pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
It transpires, Paula Vennells, knew about withholding of the flawed system information to the defence lawyers of the prosecuted postmasters. She knew two years beforehand, and did nothing about it. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Apr 2024 1.44pm) No it wouldn't, but I suspect more than one lawyer is going to see the other side of the bars before this game is up.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 03 Apr 24 6.05pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
My wife raised a point I had no answer to. The prosecutions were the consequence of a faulty software programme, not remote interference. I don't think it has been asserted by anyone that there were e.g. Fujitsu staffers in some secret bunker deliberately falsifying sub post office data to facilitate prosecutions, or even that there was post facto tampering with evidence to retrospectively justify earlier prosecutions. If I am wrong, please can somebody out there correct me. Otherwise, I fail to see the relevance of remote access if it has never been asserted that this ever occurred. As i understood it, from a radio broadcast,..the remote access was a (failed) attempt to identify software errors and correct them. This was a continual and ongoing program, rather than fixing the faulty software. They knew the errors were there,...and tried to correct them with remote access, but this ultimately failed. And they continued to prosecute many Postmasters, most of whom lost their careers, some were jailed, and ultimately some took their own lives. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Apr 2024 6.08pm)
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| silvertop Portishead 03 Apr 24 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I think an elected Second Chamber would cause more problems than it would solve. They would seek more and more powers and there would be constant antagonism between the two elected bodies - a bit like UK Parliament and Scottish Parliament. Better to just abolish the House of Lords altogether. I agree the part highlighted but not the last sentence. We still need an upper house to peer review all legislation. I think the upper house should be limited to, say, 300 in number and be people who represent expertise in a long list of designated fields that experience dictates requires it. I am an atheist so would not want any cleric in that house, but so far as ethical all rounders go, it is difficult to think of anyone better to reflect this nation's mores. The whole Supreme Court bench must also be present. And perhaps all 24 of those holding the Order of Merit? Collectively, those 3 groups probably add up to about 40-odd, so would not dominate the House. The appointment, periodic review and removal should be by way of a panel selected by the upper house. Nobody should be appointed to the panel or the House by the executive and/or the elected House. There needs to be a very clear division of power. And no appointment is for life. When you leave the RA or Supreme Court or Oxfam etc. you leave the upper House.
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