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CockneyRebel Flag West Harrison,NY. 05 Feb 24 3.31pm Send a Private Message to CockneyRebel Add CockneyRebel as a friend

PALACE FOOTBALL TEAM....facts...THE PLAYERS WHO ARE CAPABLE OF WINNING MATCHES ARE ALL injured. There is no reasonable replacement for each of them. The remainder of the squad are either newly acquired and not yet have found their feet, or the others are just not that capable of creating a winning game. One can only do so much with handleable when that is all that is left to work with. Reasonableness needs to prevail.

 


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pssguy Flag 05 Feb 24 3.56pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by SurbsEagle
If he is sounding out other managers, as per the press suggests, then why would anyone want to come in pre Chelsea? Wait until after that game and then you have Everton away and Burnley at home, 2 much more winnable fixtures and with Eze, Olise and Guehi all closer to fitness. We will be a more attractive prospect then.


I would have thought a new manager would want to come in as soon as possible to work with the players. If Chelsea is regarded as a free hit (which it certainly should not be given they are in as much disarray as Palace) then a loss won't fall on him

 

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PatrickA Flag London 05 Feb 24 4.21pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

If we end up playing the likes of Bristol City and Coventry in the Championship next season I'm sure that we can console ourselves with the thought we went down with the very best of excuses and for the solid reasons that you outline!
Alternatively,we could stop making excuses to justify failure and look at the remaining 15 games and how we can maximise our points return with the players who are actually available.
'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail' is the old saying that springs to mind.
'The real crime is to aim low and still miss' is another.
We sometimes seem guilty of both under Hodgson.


Originally posted by Willo

In my humble estimation whether we win a significant amount of games going forward will be dependant on our key players on the field on a regular basis.

We will all have 'reasons' as to why we in our current plight, some will aim their animus at Mr Hodgson,some at the Board/Parish, some a combination of both.
I for one will not gallivant down the path of apportioning culpability towards the manager or the hierarchy, I will leave that debate to others and peruse with interest !

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2024 3.05pm)

 

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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 05 Feb 24 4.22pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

My comment was based on the fact that I have a 'Feeling in my water' that Eze and Olise will return to play more regularly and our relegation fears will start to dissipate.

Perhaps it's that medication again.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 24 4.31pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

If we end up playing the likes of Bristol City and Coventry in the Championship next season I'm sure that we can console ourselves with the thought we went down with the very best of excuses and for the solid reasons that you outline!
Alternatively,we could stop making excuses to justify failure and look at the remaining 15 games and how we can maximise our points return with the players who are actually available.
'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail' is the old saying that springs to mind.
'The real crime is to aim low and still miss' is another.
We sometimes seem guilty of both under Hodgson.


You use the word "Excuses", my comments can be filed under the category "Explanations".

Suffice to say should we slip through that dreaded relegation trapdoor there will be a great deal of comment as to quite why we have found ourselves in the Championship.I suspect that reasoned debate will focus on the "reasons" whilst of course Mr Hodgson and Parish will face shot and shell.

 

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VinceHilaire Flag London 05 Feb 24 4.47pm Send a Private Message to VinceHilaire Add VinceHilaire as a friend

So…..another 24 hours have passed and no further developments!

I guess like it or not - Roy is with us until the end of the season…

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Feb 24 4.52pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Old creakeys and relics like me are always delving into the past !

I believe the past, in terms of the events this season', is relevant to our current plight.In general,one can learn from past experiences with knowledge that can shape the future.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2024 3.19pm)


Unfortunately, it seems Hodgson doesn't fall into that category of person because he keeps doing the same thing and is surprised when he gets the same results.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Feb 24 4.57pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

If we end up playing the likes of Bristol City and Coventry in the Championship next season I'm sure that we can console ourselves with the thought we went down with the very best of excuses and for the solid reasons that you outline!
Alternatively,we could stop making excuses to justify failure and look at the remaining 15 games and how we can maximise our points return with the players who are actually available.
'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail' is the old saying that springs to mind.
'The real crime is to aim low and still miss' is another.
We sometimes seem guilty of both under Hodgson.



Spot on Patrick (again it seems). The team seem now to have bought into Hodgson's belief that without Eze and Olise we can't do anything other than sit back and hope.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 24 5.23pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

The degree of unrealism that is being displayed by some of our fans makes me feel quite ashamed.

We are enjoying our longest ever run in England’s top division, widely regarded as the best in the world. Compare that from where we used to be and we all should be immensely proud of our club and its management.

We aren’t able to just buy ourselves out of trouble. When it hits, as it always will, it hurts. We have though managed to pull through in the past with the management, players and fans united and determined. We need to play our part and not expect the impossible.

Roy was brought back to hold the line for another year. No one expected most of our key players to get injured in the way they have. No manager has the capacity to deal with that easily. We always knew a change would happen this coming summer. Getting on Roy’s and the player’s backs now is not going to help them at all. It will demoralise, demotivate and depress them. They need to be encouraged and supported.

Just imagine if you were Steve and now searching for Roy’s replacement. How would they feel coming to a club with such toxic fans? Imagine Roy gets so affected by the mood he walks away and there is no replacement of anything approaching the same quality available.

This is not how we are. Put away the banners and start supporting. Everyone knows the football is uninspiring but grinding out points when you have a restricted list of names available is what you do. Survival is the target.

 


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est1905 Flag 05 Feb 24 5.23pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Unfortunately, it seems Hodgson doesn't fall into that category of person because he keeps doing the same thing and is surprised when he gets the same results.

What is it that you would like him to do with the players at his disposal?
We started the game against Brighton with very little creativity on the pitch. That was because Eze was injured, Olise was only deemed capable of half a game and (whether you or I agree) the coaching staff dont seem to rate (or yet trust) Franca or Rak-Saki.
In view of this I really dont see what he could have done differently. Our defence let us down badly Saturday. I love Andersen but it was unforgivable allowing himself to be out muscled and out jumped by Dunk. The game was littered with defensive errors. Thats where the game was lost.
I cant really see what these current demonstrations and banners are supposed to achieve. If its to spend some more money? Well, the window is shut. Couldn't if they wanted to. Is it to hasten the departure of Roy? Well I've said before, I'm all for moving Roy on early if we have the right man lined up. Personally I dont think Cooper is the man for the job. Seems the owners agree as he has not been approached. So what is the point if you have no replacement ready to go?
The only other thing I can think of for all this moaning is to let the owners know you dont want them? For a start I'm not sure any of them (including Parish) care. They have a lot of money tied up in this club and they are hardly likely to just pack their stuff up and leave. I can imagine what the owner of any other business would say if a section of the customers asked them to walk away! Its just not going to happen.
If this disunity continues. The Roy out/sack the board mentality toxic atmosphere its only going to help us to be relegated. Its hardly going to galvanise the club is it?
Gettting behind the team might seem like an old fashioned idea but its kind of what 'supporters' are supposed to do. the clue is in the name.
No doubt people will try and insult or criticize me for what I'm saying but I am entitled to my opinion and remember those who shout loudest are not suddenly in the right because you cant hear anyone else.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 05 Feb 24 5.50pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I think the question is should he be getting more out of the players he does have at his disposal. There has been no improvement seen in most of the players, some of whom even look worse. Brighton were not littered with great players on Saturday but they had a shape, a structure and a clear way of playing. We weren't playing Arsenal or Man City. Most of their passes were no more than 10-15 feet meaning even an average player could achieve that. What was Hodgson's plan? I am struggling to work it out these days. We do seem to win a lot of free-kicks but there doesn't seem to be any plan as to what we're going to do with them. Same with the corners.

Hodgson's plan of containing teams for 70 minutes and turning it into a 20 minute game is not working any more in most games. His tactic of packing out the centre is being exploited by teams targeting our wide areas. When Eze and Olise are out we don't have the pace to counter and he won't play the players that have it (Ahamada and Franca).

On Saturday he had Colombia's first choice right-back, a player who was voted one of the best Danish players in 2023, a regular England centre-back, a former England left-back, an England goalkeeper, A US regular international, a Colombian international and Bournemouth's POTY last season, a player who led Ghana in the AFCON and in JPM a striker finally making the most of a chance in the team. On top of that he had one of the most promising young midfielders in England in Wharton. This is not a bunch of has beens, the team on Saturday was made up almost entirely of regular internationals. If they can't pass the ball, can't defend, can't attack and look clueless that is the manager. He looks out of touch with the modern game.

 

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thegreatlardino Flag crawley/selsey 05 Feb 24 5.54pm Send a Private Message to thegreatlardino Add thegreatlardino as a friend

agree with a lot you are saying to a point....the owners dont care what we paying punters think, with all the TV money slushing around the PL, from an accountants point of view it doesnt matter if we are not happy...kerching to quote from Private Eye trebles all round..
banners etc dont matter sadly.

 


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Sometimes I end up in Chepstow

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