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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Feb 24 6.04pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The degree of unrealism that is being displayed by some of our fans makes me feel quite ashamed.

We are enjoying our longest ever run in England’s top division, widely regarded as the best in the world. Compare that from where we used to be and we all should be immensely proud of our club and its management.

We aren’t able to just buy ourselves out of trouble. When it hits, as it always will, it hurts. We have though managed to pull through in the past with the management, players and fans united and determined. We need to play our part and not expect the impossible.

Roy was brought back to hold the line for another year. No one expected most of our key players to get injured in the way they have. No manager has the capacity to deal with that easily. We always knew a change would happen this coming summer. Getting on Roy’s and the player’s backs now is not going to help them at all. It will demoralise, demotivate and depress them. They need to be encouraged and supported.

Just imagine if you were Steve and now searching for Roy’s replacement. How would they feel coming to a club with such toxic fans? Imagine Roy gets so affected by the mood he walks away and there is no replacement of anything approaching the same quality available.

This is not how we are. Put away the banners and start supporting. Everyone knows the football is uninspiring but grinding out points when you have a restricted list of names available is what you do. Survival is the target.

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The degree of unrealism that is being displayed by some of our fans makes me feel quite ashamed.

We are enjoying our longest ever run in England’s top division, widely regarded as the best in the world. Compare that from where we used to be and we all should be immensely proud of our club and its management.

We aren’t able to just buy ourselves out of trouble. When it hits, as it always will, it hurts. We have though managed to pull through in the past with the management, players and fans united and determined. We need to play our part and not expect the impossible.

Roy was brought back to hold the line for another year. No one expected most of our key players to get injured in the way they have. No manager has the capacity to deal with that easily. We always knew a change would happen this coming summer. Getting on Roy’s and the player’s backs now is not going to help them at all. It will demoralise, demotivate and depress them. They need to be encouraged and supported.

Just imagine if you were Steve and now searching for Roy’s replacement. How would they feel coming to a club with such toxic fans? Imagine Roy gets so affected by the mood he walks away and there is no replacement of anything approaching the same quality available.

This is not how we are. Put away the banners and start supporting. Everyone knows the football is uninspiring but grinding out points when you have a restricted list of names available is what you do. Survival is the target.

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Feb 24 6.19pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

What is it that you would like him to do with the players at his disposal?
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Firstly, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. It's simply that we disagree.

As to what would I like to Hodgson to do (if eh stays):

I would like him:

1. to recognize that we are currently unable to be set up to avoid the opposition scoring. That is now 12 consecutive league games in which we have conceded, and in 10 of those games we conceded the first goal scored in the game. And yet, Hodgson still insists on setting us up not to lose. Roy's system worked ok in the first 11 league games - we achieved no fewer than 5 clean sheets but then we lost Doucoure. It should have been obvious fairly quickly thereafter that we didn't have a suitable replacement in our ranks and so a change of system and tactics was required. But not to Hodgson it didn't.
2. to recognize that both Hughes and Schlupp are only likely to get worse, not better whereas some youngsters who have been given occasional outings are only likely to get better if given more regular game time. Furthermore, youngsters such as Franca, Ahamada and Ozoh have the incentive to prove themselves. Schlupp and Hughes are well past that stage IMO. The youngsters are probably both quicker and fitter than those two.
3. to use Franca or Ahamada as a no.10 in Eze's absence, so as to at least provide more of an attacking threat. Now that Rak-Sakyi is almost back, I would hope to see him in Olise's position very soon.
4. to practise attacking plays with our available attacking options rather than only focus on such when both Eze and Olise are available (something he implied in a recent interview).

Finally, the arrival of both Munoz and Wharton does seem to provide some hope as both are forward thinking players. I hope Hodgson will recognize that and include them from the start of upcoming games.

In short, I want Hodgson to set us up to try and win games rather than trying to park the bus. I know we have limited resources but it's clear (to me, and it seems most others who've commented in recent times on this site) that Hodgson's system isn't working and that he doesn't seem to have a Plan B.

Edited by doombear (05 Feb 2024 6.20pm)

 

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View derekjeffries's Profile derekjeffries Flag Hastings 05 Feb 24 6.21pm Send a Private Message to derekjeffries Add derekjeffries as a friend

At last someone speaks some sense. I know the critics don't like to be told this but look at Charlton-their fans got ideas beyond their station when Curbishley was manager in the Premier, they are now not far off relegation to league 2. Be careful what you wish for. I say let's get behind the team and Roy or his replacement when there is one.

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The degree of unrealism that is being displayed by some of our fans makes me feel quite ashamed.

We are enjoying our longest ever run in England’s top division, widely regarded as the best in the world. Compare that from where we used to be and we all should be immensely proud of our club and its management.

We aren’t able to just buy ourselves out of trouble. When it hits, as it always will, it hurts. We have though managed to pull through in the past with the management, players and fans united and determined. We need to play our part and not expect the impossible.

Roy was brought back to hold the line for another year. No one expected most of our key players to get injured in the way they have. No manager has the capacity to deal with that easily. We always knew a change would happen this coming summer. Getting on Roy’s and the player’s backs now is not going to help them at all. It will demoralise, demotivate and depress them. They need to be encouraged and supported.

Just imagine if you were Steve and now searching for Roy’s replacement. How would they feel coming to a club with such toxic fans? Imagine Roy gets so affected by the mood he walks away and there is no replacement of anything approaching the same quality available.

This is not how we are. Put away the banners and start supporting. Everyone knows the football is uninspiring but grinding out points when you have a restricted list of names available is what you do. Survival is the target.

 

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View samprior's Profile samprior Flag Hamburg 05 Feb 24 6.25pm Send a Private Message to samprior Add samprior as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

Firstly, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. It's simply that we disagree.

As to what would I like to Hodgson to do (if eh stays):

I would like him:

1. to recognize that we are currently unable to be set up to avoid the opposition scoring. That is now 12 consecutive league games in which we have conceded, and in 10 of those games we conceded the first goal scored in the game. And yet, Hodgson still insists on setting us up not to lose. Roy's system worked ok in the first 11 league games - we achieved no fewer than 5 clean sheets but then we lost Doucoure. It should have been obvious fairly quickly thereafter that we didn't have a suitable replacement in our ranks and so a change of system and tactics was required. But not to Hodgson it didn't.
2. to recognize that both Hughes and Schlupp are only likely to get worse, not better whereas some youngsters who have been given occasional outings are only likely to get better if given more regular game time. Furthermore, youngsters such as Franca, Ahamada and Ozoh have the incentive to prove themselves. Schlupp and Hughes are well past that stage IMO. The youngsters are probably both quicker and fitter than those two.
3. to use Franca or Ahamada as a no.10 in Eze's absence, so as to at least provide more of an attacking threat. Now that Rak-Sakyi is almost back, I would hope to see him in Olise's position very soon.
4. to practise attacking plays with our available attacking options rather than only focus on such when both Eze and Olise are available (something he implied in a recent interview).

Finally, the arrival of both Munoz and Wharton does seem to provide some hope as both are forward thinking players. I hope Hodgson will recognize that and include them from the start of upcoming games.

In short, I want Hodgson to set us up to try and win games rather than trying to park the bus. I know we have limited resources but it's clear (to me, and it seems most others who've commented in recent times on this site) that Hodgson's system isn't working and that he doesn't seem to have a Plan B.

Edited by doombear (05 Feb 2024 6.20pm)

Well said.

 

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View redshift's Profile redshift Flag Toronto 05 Feb 24 6.27pm Send a Private Message to redshift Add redshift as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think the question is should he be getting more out of the players he does have at his disposal. There has been no improvement seen in most of the players, some of whom even look worse. Brighton were not littered with great players on Saturday but they had a shape, a structure and a clear way of playing. We weren't playing Arsenal or Man City. Most of their passes were no more than 10-15 feet meaning even an average player could achieve that. What was Hodgson's plan? I am struggling to work it out these days. We do seem to win a lot of free-kicks but there doesn't seem to be any plan as to what we're going to do with them. Same with the corners.

Hodgson's plan of containing teams for 70 minutes and turning it into a 20 minute game is not working any more in most games. His tactic of packing out the centre is being exploited by teams targeting our wide areas. When Eze and Olise are out we don't have the pace to counter and he won't play the players that have it (Ahamada and Franca).

On Saturday he had Colombia's first choice right-back, a player who was voted one of the best Danish players in 2023, a regular England centre-back, a former England left-back, an England goalkeeper, A US regular international, a Colombian international and Bournemouth's POTY last season, a player who led Ghana in the AFCON and in JPM a striker finally making the most of a chance in the team. On top of that he had one of the most promising young midfielders in England in Wharton. This is not a bunch of has beens, the team on Saturday was made up almost entirely of regular internationals. If they can't pass the ball, can't defend, can't attack and look clueless that is the manager. He looks out of touch with the modern game.

Exactly this. To take one specific item: we haven't scored from a corner in the last 100 attempts. IIRC we have one goal from a free kick this season. Our defense of set pieces is dreadful. That alone is a coaching and managing failure. It makes one wonder what the team actually does at practice.

As for fans' anger I'd just like to remind everyone that the opposite of love is not hate but apathy. Fans are angry because we care about the club. Still need to be level headed and keep behaviour acceptable but it is ok to be angry at the state we are in.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 05 Feb 24 6.44pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I think this is unrealistic.
I have been supporting the club for more than 50 years and Saturday was the first game I've ever attended where the Palace fans were calling for a manager (Hodgson) to go, with the opposition fans scornfully calling for him to stay (it being so bad).
Are fans expected to be content to see a goal scored in early minutes for the 5th time in 6 games?
To see the same mistakes not addressed whether it's not marking or competing at corners, not tracking runners,not giving 100% (which I think has been the case in the Arsenal and Brighton games.
To witness the shambles of the Olise substitution and the back covering and lack of taking responsibility afterwards.

I have never booed a manager or the team,but neither will I cheer them when they are failing to give their all.
If you're not good enough fans may well still appreciate players giving their all.
Fail in the basics and in giving effort flak will come your way.
It's the same at every club and Palace is no exception.

Originally posted by derekjeffries

At last someone speaks some sense. I know the critics don't like to be told this but look at Charlton-their fans got ideas beyond their station when Curbishley was manager in the Premier, they are now not far off relegation to league 2. Be careful what you wish for. I say let's get behind the team and Roy or his replacement when there is one.

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Feb 24 6.49pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by derekjeffries

At last someone speaks some sense. I know the critics don't like to be told this but look at Charlton-their fans got ideas beyond their station when Curbishley was manager in the Premier, they are now not far off relegation to league 2. Be careful what you wish for. I say let's get behind the team and Roy or his replacement when there is one.

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Sorry, but,
firstly, we're not Charlton and
secondly, as a fan of over 50 years standing I don't (and I don't think many others who disagree with you) have ideas beyond our station. Whilst I didn't want Hodgson to come back, I accepted it and supported him as I did throughout his first tenure when many were rubbishing him in the final two seasons of that tenure.

Unlike the Charlton fans, I'm not demanding that we go to the next level. That's not a possibility until, inter alia, we upgrade our ground and increase our revenue.

My issue with Hodgson is that he seems to have lost it and I simply want someone in who will keep us in this league, something I think Hodgson is no longer equipped to do.

The evidence?
1. His attack on young players
2. His attack on fans (yes I know he apologized for both but a manager of his experience should never have said what he did).
3. His persistence on putting square pegs in round holes instead of using the limited (young) round pegs he has in those holes.
4. His insistence of continuing with a system that isn't working when he doesn't have the players available for it.
5. Players' performances are worsening before our very eyes. Why? Is it because they know the system isn't working and they and so they're not committed to it?
6. His keep wanting to bring our two stars back before they're really ready. We don't know what has passed between the physios/medical people and Hodgson but he's been quick to point out that Eze and Olise have said they're ready to play as an excuse for playing them when the medical people have suggested a longer period would be advisable. How many more hamstrings have to go before Hodgson stops doing that? Let's face it, bringing Olise on at the Amex was criminal and that's not being said with hindsight. I groaned with foreboding when I saw he was being brought on as, I suspect did many fans. That substitution strongly suggests it was an act of desperation on Hodgson's part to try and keep his job.

 

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View samprior's Profile samprior Flag Hamburg 05 Feb 24 6.55pm Send a Private Message to samprior Add samprior as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Sorry, but,
firstly, we're not Charlton and
secondly, as a fan of over 50 years standing I don't (and I don't think many others who disagree with you) have ideas beyond our station. Whilst I didn't want Hodgson to come back, I accepted it and supported him as I did throughout his first tenure when many were rubbishing him in the final two seasons of that tenure.

Unlike the Charlton fans, I'm not demanding that we go to the next level. That's not a possibility until, inter alia, we upgrade our ground and increase our revenue.

My issue with Hodgson is that he seems to have lost it and I simply want someone in who will keep us in this league, something I think Hodgson is no longer equipped to do.

The evidence?
1. His attack on young players
2. His attack on fans (yes I know he apologized for both but a manager of his experience should never have said what he did).
3. His persistence on putting square pegs in round holes instead of using the limited (young) round pegs he has in those holes.
4. His insistence of continuing with a system that isn't working when he doesn't have the players available for it.
5. Players' performances are worsening before our very eyes. Why? Is it because they know the system isn't working and they and so they're not committed to it?
6. His keep wanting to bring our two stars back before they're really ready. We don't know what has passed between the physios/medical people and Hodgson but he's been quick to point out that Eze and Olise have said they're ready to play as an excuse for playing them when the medical people have suggested a longer period would be advisable. How many more hamstrings have to go before Hodgson stops doing that? Let's face it, bringing Olise on at the Amex was criminal and that's not being said with hindsight. I groaned with foreboding when I saw he was being brought on as, I suspect did many fans. That substitution strongly suggests it was an act of desperation on Hodgson's part to try and keep his job.

Once again well said. Agree with absolutely everything there. The fast it all seems so obvious makes it all the more frustrating.

 

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Originally posted by doombear

Firstly, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. It's simply that we disagree.

As to what would I like to Hodgson to do (if eh stays):

I would like him:

1. to recognize that we are currently unable to be set up to avoid the opposition scoring. That is now 12 consecutive league games in which we have conceded, and in 10 of those games we conceded the first goal scored in the game. And yet, Hodgson still insists on setting us up not to lose. Roy's system worked ok in the first 11 league games - we achieved no fewer than 5 clean sheets but then we lost Doucoure. It should have been obvious fairly quickly thereafter that we didn't have a suitable replacement in our ranks and so a change of system and tactics was required. But not to Hodgson it didn't.
2. to recognize that both Hughes and Schlupp are only likely to get worse, not better whereas some youngsters who have been given occasional outings are only likely to get better if given more regular game time. Furthermore, youngsters such as Franca, Ahamada and Ozoh have the incentive to prove themselves. Schlupp and Hughes are well past that stage IMO. The youngsters are probably both quicker and fitter than those two.
3. to use Franca or Ahamada as a no.10 in Eze's absence, so as to at least provide more of an attacking threat. Now that Rak-Sakyi is almost back, I would hope to see him in Olise's position very soon.
4. to practise attacking plays with our available attacking options rather than only focus on such when both Eze and Olise are available (something he implied in a recent interview).

Finally, the arrival of both Munoz and Wharton does seem to provide some hope as both are forward thinking players. I hope Hodgson will recognize that and include them from the start of upcoming games.

In short, I want Hodgson to set us up to try and win games rather than trying to park the bus. I know we have limited resources but it's clear (to me, and it seems most others who've commented in recent times on this site) that Hodgson's system isn't working and that he doesn't seem to have a Plan B.

Edited by doombear (05 Feb 2024 6.20pm)

An excellent post.
For all those making excuses for Roy and or our predicament, look at the situation from another angle which is essentially to say this where we are right here right now. Let's wipe the slate clean and ask: how are we going to pick up the necessary points to avoid relegation given what we have? Shall we continue doing the same thing which has led us to this state? Or do we find other ways of doing things?
I believe that Roy is totally incapable of thinking outside the box and accepting that the methods that have brought him some longevity and minor success in the game don't work anymore. That's why he keeps repeating the same errors. He just doesn't want to learn some new tricks. Simply put he is stubborn and stuck in his ways, as we have seen.
Therefore another way has to be tried, which ultimately means a replacement for Roy. Unfortunately I think Parish has missed the boat and is in procrastination mode, hoping that the teams below us stay below us and those that may have points deducted have them deducted. Under Roy's leadership I can't see where the points are coming from.

 

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Originally posted by doombear


Sorry, but,
firstly, we're not Charlton and
secondly, as a fan of over 50 years standing I don't (and I don't think many others who disagree with you) have ideas beyond our station. Whilst I didn't want Hodgson to come back, I accepted it and supported him as I did throughout his first tenure when many were rubbishing him in the final two seasons of that tenure.

Unlike the Charlton fans, I'm not demanding that we go to the next level. That's not a possibility until, inter alia, we upgrade our ground and increase our revenue.

My issue with Hodgson is that he seems to have lost it and I simply want someone in who will keep us in this league, something I think Hodgson is no longer equipped to do.

The evidence?
1. His attack on young players
2. His attack on fans (yes I know he apologized for both but a manager of his experience should never have said what he did).
3. His persistence on putting square pegs in round holes instead of using the limited (young) round pegs he has in those holes.
4. His insistence of continuing with a system that isn't working when he doesn't have the players available for it.
5. Players' performances are worsening before our very eyes. Why? Is it because they know the system isn't working and they and so they're not committed to it?
6. His keep wanting to bring our two stars back before they're really ready. We don't know what has passed between the physios/medical people and Hodgson but he's been quick to point out that Eze and Olise have said they're ready to play as an excuse for playing them when the medical people have suggested a longer period would be advisable. How many more hamstrings have to go before Hodgson stops doing that? Let's face it, bringing Olise on at the Amex was criminal and that's not being said with hindsight. I groaned with foreboding when I saw he was being brought on as, I suspect did many fans. That substitution strongly suggests it was an act of desperation on Hodgson's part to try and keep his job.

spot on.

 


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One reason why the plug will not be pulled on Roy until after Chelsea is that if he was to go now it would give Brighton ammunition that THEY got rid of our Manager,not a clever thing to do me thinks.

 

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