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 Stirlingsays  16 Feb 24 11.51am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
That Sunak comment is very racist and untrue, look at the Government front bench. I agree Habib is excellent, Tice is ok as a drum beater and is very committed to the cause Tory voters I suspect stayed home as much as voted for Reform. See what Reform's electoral contract looks like, I would suspect sound economic plans Edited by HKOwen (16 Feb 2024 10.41am) Edited by HKOwen (16 Feb 2024 10.43am) A Tory area like that isn't going to like a taste of the modern day Labour party's policies in their area. A lot of them will have wished they had all voted Reform.....because the Liberal Tory party has about as much legs left as Shergar.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Feb 24 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Which would fall under naive and short memories. Naive is sticking to decades old tabloid tropes and still thinking they’re remotely relevant.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Feb 24 12.07pm |
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Tory politicians are begging their supporters not to vote Reform as it will let Labour in. Well what exactly are we supposed to do then? Continue voting for a party that is out of touch with its supporters and failing miserably? The only way the Tory Party is going to reform is if it gets a bloody nose at the elections it the only language these gits understand.
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The groover  Danbury 16 Feb 24 12.28pm |
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Having just retired my fear is that Labour will hit those who have retired or are retiring with private pensions. They will certainly hit those that they consider to be "high earners" by reducing the Mid and higher tax codes. I have drawn my 25% tax free out of all of my pensions already as I fear that will be the first thing to go. Tax on savings after that. Bedroom tax on private dwellings. Who knows what they will do to fund the spending spree. The tony B lair labour party were actually tory light so we saw none of these policies until gordon the goffer became PM. Edited by The groover (16 Feb 2024 12.31pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Feb 24 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by The groover
Having just retired my fear is that Labour will hit those who have retired or are retiring with private pensions. They will certainly hit those that they consider to be "high earners" by reducing the Mid and higher tax codes. I have drawn my 25% tax free out of all of my pensions already as I fear that will be the first thing to go. Tax on savings after that. Bedroom tax on private dwellings. Who knows what they will do to fund the spending spree. "Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson have overseen the largest set of tax rises since the Second World War, according to economic analysis. The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) estimates that - by the time of the next general election - the tax burden will have risen to around 37% of national income. Records began in 1950 for the figures, and no parliament has seen a larger hike."
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 16 Feb 24 12.39pm |
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A win is a win. Even if they are all own-goals.
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| Bobby216 16 Feb 24 1.10pm |
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It does look as though Labour will get in. But you never know. Labour are so vague in their policies. Perhaps when it gets closer to the election they'll be forced to say what they'll do and it'll scare people back to the Tories. Or perhaps them winning will mean Kemi Badenoch will become leader of the opposition, which in my view would be an improvement. I feel a bit sorry for Sunak. In that he seems like a much more capable PM than Boris or Liz Truss. A bit nerdy but seems to have integrity. I think people put too much emphasis on what politicians can really do to affect their individual lives. One of the exceptions over 30 years has been housing policy. The lack of social mobility is massive. The fact that the majority people under 35 to 40 can't ever get on the housing ladder is a major problem. How can a generation that has no capital believe in capitalism? Both Tories and Labour over 30 years are to blame for that.
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| The groover Danbury 16 Feb 24 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
"Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson have overseen the largest set of tax rises since the Second World War, according to economic analysis. The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) estimates that - by the time of the next general election - the tax burden will have risen to around 37% of national income. Records began in 1950 for the figures, and no parliament has seen a larger hike." You omitted to include these bits from your google search. "An increase of 4% since 2019". "By international standards, the UK taxpayer is not particularly heavily burdened". A large part of the 4% increase was windfall tax on the oil companies. As was the increase in corporation tax. Strange that this is included in the overall tax burden calculation. One would look at that at think it was for individuals. Edited by The groover (16 Feb 2024 2.02pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Feb 24 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Naive is sticking to decades old tabloid tropes and still thinking they’re remotely relevant. Tropes? Was James Callaghan capitulation to the unions a trope? Is Starmer's flip flopping a trope? I could go on...
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Feb 24 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by The groover
You omitted to include these bits from your google search. "An increase of 4% since 2019". "By international standards, the UK taxpayer is not particularly heavily burdened". A large part of the 4% increase was windfall tax on the oil companies. As was the increase in corporation tax. Strange that this is included in the overall tax burden calculation. One would look at that at think it was for individuals. Edited by The groover (16 Feb 2024 2.02pm) International standards aren't relevant when comparing two British political parties and their likely impact on the British tax burden. There's always going to be context around why tax rates increase, but my point is this is not a trend specific to either party. The last 13 years is absolute proof that voting Conservative is not going to ensure lower taxes.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Feb 24 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Tropes? Was James Callaghan capitulation to the unions a trope? Is Starmer's flip flopping a trope? I could go on... Yes, they are. This current government have handled the unions appallingly and overseen a major resurgence in unionism. We are on our 6th Tory PM in 5 years, each with a nice flip and a flop in policy and direction of travel. You cling onto decade old Labour examples of failures, whilst sticking your fingers in your ears about the very current failings of the Conservatives. This obsession with a hypothetical Labour government, whilst we live through objectively one of the worst governments we have ever had, is just nonsense.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Feb 24 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Yes, they are. This current government have handled the unions appallingly and overseen a major resurgence in unionism. We are on our 6th Tory PM in 5 years, each with a nice flip and a flop in policy and direction of travel. You cling onto decade old Labour examples of failures, whilst sticking your fingers in your ears about the very current failings of the Conservatives. This obsession with a hypothetical Labour government, whilst we live through objectively one of the worst governments we have ever had, is just nonsense.
The current government has stood up to unions.
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