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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 26 Mar 24 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Yet another thread descends into personal critiques. The same face keeps appearing.

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 26 Mar 24 3.57pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My cynicism about the Mail started decades ago when it became a tabloid and my friend started working for it. He gave me a lot of information about the attitudes and motivations of the owners.

Itís not a newspaper. Itís propaganda dressed up as news.

Your opinion. Based on hearsay

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Most things that people claim to be truth are, in fact, opinion. [Wisbech Eagle]

"There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." [Orwell]

Edited by georgenorman (26 Mar 2024 3.58pm)

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Mar 24 4.02pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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You are regurgitating commonly held cynical preconceptions. Do you have any actual evidence that decisions are being made by computer?

Not that someone has written a programme to help them identify things that might help them make a decision?

The computer doesn't make the decision - it provides the analysis the institution /publisher wants. In no uncertain terms, you will not be published or receive funding if your work is not on 'trend'. There are many programs available today.
This might show you the kind of thing that happens with computer analysis of texts these days.

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Red and Blue Army!

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View Behind Enemy Lines's Profile Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 26 Mar 24 4.18pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My cynicism about the Mail started decades ago when it became a tabloid and my friend started working for it. He gave me a lot of information about the attitudes and motivations of the owners.

Itís not a newspaper. Itís propaganda dressed up as news.

Sociologists would argue that you read a newspaper that reflects your own views; a sort of self-confirmation exercise. What I find worrying is that you dismiss others views because in your opinion the Mail is not a newspaper. This is not healthy if only one conduit of news is acceptable in the world.

If the Mailís article is untrue I expect them to be taken to court and to lose. I will stay tuned to see if that happens.

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 26 Mar 24 4.21pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thatís your opinion. Which isnít news.

It's not an opinion. But it's news to you apparently. If you're interested in remedying your ignorance of government waste, I recommend that you read "The Blunders of our Governments", by two distinguished political scientists. The late Baroness Shirley Williams, a former Labour minister, who called the book "a truly shocking cautionary tale", is just one among a host of A-list journalists and former politicians who have praised the book.

If you read it, I suggest having a pencil and paper to hand so you can keep count of the accumulating hundreds of billions of taxpayers' money going up in smoke.

Go on, read it. I guess you won't like it, but you'll learn something.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 26 Mar 24 4.25pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Typical Daily Mail report and predictable responses here to it.

You all do love to have a moan about something the Mail reports as a ďwokeĒ waste of money!

Neither the Mail nor anybody here knows the true rationale which lies behind this project. It could easily be multi-faceted and intended to meet several objectives. People tend not to throw money at worthless projects so making assumptions on any analysis presented by the Mail is many times more questionable than a peer reviewed decision made by a University.

A spokesman for UKRI said:

'UKRI invests in a diverse research and innovation portfolio. Decisions to fund the research projects we support are made via a rigorous peer review process by relevant independent experts from across academia and business.'

Are you familiar with the phrase 'choose your battles'?

I've no idea why you try to defend this sort of nonsense - it's every bit as partisan as you accuse others of being.

Yes, it's true the Mail stir the pot on the woke stuff, but it's also true there is a lot of nonsense going on in that regard - you don't have to try and disprove each and every example.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 26 Mar 24 4.28pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

It's not an opinion. But it's news to you apparently. If you're interested in remedying your ignorance of government waste, I recommend that you read "The Blunders of our Governments", by two distinguished political scientists. The late Baroness Shirley Williams, a former Labour minister, who called the book "a truly shocking cautionary tale", is just one among a host of A-list journalists and former politicians who have praised the book.

If you read it, I suggest having a pencil and paper to hand so you can keep count of the accumulating hundreds of billions of taxpayers' money going up in smoke.

Go on, read it. I guess you won't like it, but you'll learn something.

I will check that out - sounds right up my street!

To suggest public money isn't often wasted is so laughably and demonstrably untrue it's hard to believe it's not satire.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Mar 24 4.29pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


Good luck with getting the funding.

There normally has to be rather more point than that but maybe you can find an idiot with deep pockets. Try writing to Northcliffe House 2 Derry Street London W8 5TT. I am sure they would listen

Funding is no problem although they'll only commit to a couple of million. Convincing the wife of the inestimable value of this research is more of a challenge.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Mar 24 4.30pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I recommend 'Dark Academia: How Universities die' by Peter Fleming as a starting point.
I could give many personal anecdotes but obviously would just be called a liar.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 24 5.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Your opinion. Based on hearsay

My observation. Supported by inside information.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 24 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Sociologists would argue that you read a newspaper that reflects your own views; a sort of self-confirmation exercise. What I find worrying is that you dismiss others views because in your opinion the Mail is not a newspaper. This is not healthy if only one conduit of news is acceptable in the world.

If the Mailís article is untrue I expect them to be taken to court and to lose. I will stay tuned to see if that happens.

The Mail like all such publications employ lawyers to check copy to try to ensure that doesnít happen. Itís how they spin a story so that it can be argued that itís reasonable opinion and plausibly deniable. Itís often what they donít say, by omitting context or salient facts, that turns it into propaganda. There is no doubt at all that the Mail is very good at this. By far the best out there. Itís almost an art form of malicious disinformation.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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