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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jul 16 10.38am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Political commentators speculating on Cabinet positions and possible promotions were pretty much correct but the appointment of Boris Johnson to the Foreign Office was really a surprise.Also surprised me ! Didn't think he would get such a high-profile position.

But Theresa May knows Boris better than I do and he did travel around the globe trying to whip up trade when he was London Mayor.This is of course a different assignment and he will have to be far for statesmanlike than he has been in the past.I once read someone who said that Boris was NOT a politician but an act !

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jul 16 10.41am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

You don't know the economic truth yet. It's early days. His warnings may turn out to be pretty much correct. Once we Brexit and once costs incurred filter down do you think we will be better off? Will the weekly shop be cheaper? The labour market for agriculture is quite reliant on EU itinerant workers.

It is very early days. Brexit has already cost me £300 in holiday exchange rate but I'm not complaining. I don;t blame Brexit,I blame my wife for not paying for our holiday before the vote. It was her job.

I am quite prepared for short term pain and even medium term pain because I am confident that leaving the EU will be good for Britain and possibly Europe as well. We will know more when the negotiation is complete and then we can discuss where we are and where we go.

 

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View crystal balls's Profile crystal balls Flag The Garden of Earthly Delights 14 Jul 16 10.44am Send a Private Message to crystal balls Add crystal balls as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Do you still believe this after about every single one of at least 40 odd commentators 12 hours have said Davis will most likely have Theresa May with him whenever needing someone in serious meetings?

You're possibly right on May wanting him kept within but also afar from her. I wouldn't say "Friends close but enemies closer" but more on a leash/under control.

We'll see on the negotiations; not all commentators agree, but time will tell. Boris will certainly want to play his part, he craves attention more than anything! May wants to keep him away from Westminster as much as possible as she probably, quite sensibly, fears the Ides of March!

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Jul 16 10.48am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

Be interested to know your criteria for strong man of Europe:

- Increased position in global economy X (already 5th largest)
- Fastest growing in Europe X (not even close, we're lower half below Germany for example. Ireland is fastest growing)
- Rebalanced the economy X (now actually more dependent on services than 2010, and growth driven even more by consumer)
- Reduced debt, which he said would have happened by now in 2010 X (doubled since 2010)
- Lowest deficit in Europe X (not even close, Germany and Cyprus have budget surplus)

You could go on and on. The only measure that he can really claim success on is employment, which has not resulted in required increase in GDP because productivity has dropped, but which rightly should be applauded.

Edited by OknotOK (14 Jul 2016 10.35am)

Rebalancing the economy is something we really need to address and it'll take a while. Soon after every recession the consumer debt issue is all forgotten soon and consumer spending is a big focus again.

It's a shame we can't shift away from services in 2 years, replace the tax revenue and see how investment bankers enjoy Frankfurt.

I don't think enough infrastructure or really any infrastructure spending was implemented. There was also a reduction in housing from already insufficient investment/incentives. Wasnt it something like 700,000 new homes Dave said? It used to be 200,000 a year and that wasn't enough.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Jul 16 10.54am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by crystal balls

We'll see on the negotiations; not all commentators agree, but time will tell. Boris will certainly want to play his part, he craves attention more than anything! May wants to keep him away from Westminster as much as possible as she probably, quite sensibly, fears the Ides of March!

Which commentators have said Boris will play a full role or even be involved or want to be involved with EU negotiations? I haven't heard one. Not a single one. After I posted that he wasn't necessarily involved in EU negotiations I've listened to lots of the opinions and commentary and haven't heard one person hold the same opinion.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Jul 2016 10.56am)

 


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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 14 Jul 16 10.56am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Rebalancing the economy is something we really need to address and it'll take a while. Soon after every recession the consumer debt issue is all forgotten soon and consumer spending is a big focus again.

It's a shame we can't shift away from services in 2 years, replace the tax revenue and see how investment bankers enjoy Frankfurt.

I don't think enough infrastructure or really any infrastructure spending was implemented. There was also a reduction in housing from already insufficient investment/incentives. Wasnt it something like 700,000 new homes Dave said? It used to be 200,000 a year and that wasn't enough.

When the coalition were trying to reduce the deficit, they took the easy way to do it. They cut all capital spending to a minimum (although left white elephant projects like HS2 on the table) and didn't try and initially cut the structural spending.

That was a mistake - in my view Osborne's biggest one (made for political expediency). And it isn't one that has been rectified.

I may have disagreed with his small state ethos, but if he wanted to do it, then he needed to do it. They didn't go anywhere near far enough on reducing government BAU expenditure, but just cut the stuff that was actually going to stimulate growth. Which led to anaemic growth rates for the majority of his term as chancellor.

And Osborne was great* at wearing a hard hat and hig-viz jacket on building sites, but he did next to nothing to truly support a change in the makeup of the countries economy.

For me Osborne was a failure. And that is on his own measures. Like I said, his only real success was employment.

*Read "looked like a total tool"

Edited by OknotOK (14 Jul 2016 10.57am)

 


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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 14 Jul 16 11.03am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by crystal balls

Well good luck with that!

I suppose it depends what you mean by "control"; bring it down to Dave's "tens of thousands"? Some exit-ers want no immigration at all, some even want repatriation!

As the majority of immigration was from outside the EU leaving will have no effect on those, it will take an entirely different approach to ALL immigrants to make any meaningful reduction. And what then for the NHS, care services, catering, hotels, agriculture? Who do you let in and who do you refuse? Refugees? What controls would appease you?

Interesting negotiations ahead, I've a feeling the exit-ers are due for a heady helping of cold reality!

This is the correct answer, some does not equal ALL and as such the generalisations used to exaggerate each others points are worthless...

 


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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 14 Jul 16 11.05am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is very early days. Brexit has already cost me £300 in holiday exchange rate but I'm not complaining. I don;t blame Brexit,I blame my wife for not paying for our holiday before the vote. It was her job.

I am quite prepared for short term pain and even medium term pain because I am confident that leaving the EU will be good for Britain and possibly Europe as well. We will know more when the negotiation is complete and then we can discuss where we are and where we go.

Fortunately I managed to buy my USD the day of vote...saved $700 on todays rates alone! Wohoooo

 


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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 14 Jul 16 11.26am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Catfish

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh (gasp) hahahahahahhahahahahahahah!!!

Over promote your enemy and watch them sink. Brilliant.

ABSOLUTELY right.

Theresa: 'Now then Boris: let us put your 'popular' credentials to the test. One faux pas and I will kick you SO hard into political oblivion that not even The Daily Telegraph would be able to save you.'

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Jul 16 11.43am

Boris Johnson, could he be the Tory Peter Mandleson - Someone who came back so often from political death under Blair, that the cabinet had to start collecting garlic and stakes.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 14 Jul 16 1.04pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Theresa May knows Boris better than I do and he did travel around the globe trying to whip up trade when he was London Mayor.This is of course a different assignment and he will have to be far for statesmanlike than he has been in the past.

Didn't Theresa May say recently that Boris went on a trade trip to Germany and all he managed to come back with were three water cannons that ultimately were never used.

Trade won't be part of his remit anyway as Liam Fox has been appointed head of the new Department for International Trade

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jul 16 1.49pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Didn't Theresa May say recently that Boris went on a trade trip to Germany and all he managed to come back with were three water cannons that ultimately were never used.

Trade won't be part of his remit anyway as Liam Fox has been appointed head of the new Department for International Trade

Indeed but he will need to work with the likes of Liam Fox etc etc. Diplomacy is of course a big (If not major) part of the role, so Boris will need to ensure he is the Statesman and not court jester.I believe he will be up to the task.

 

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