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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jul 16 10.38am | |
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Political commentators speculating on Cabinet positions and possible promotions were pretty much correct but the appointment of Boris Johnson to the Foreign Office was really a surprise.Also surprised me ! Didn't think he would get such a high-profile position. But Theresa May knows Boris better than I do and he did travel around the globe trying to whip up trade when he was London Mayor.This is of course a different assignment and he will have to be far for statesmanlike than he has been in the past.I once read someone who said that Boris was NOT a politician but an act !
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jul 16 10.41am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You don't know the economic truth yet. It's early days. His warnings may turn out to be pretty much correct. Once we Brexit and once costs incurred filter down do you think we will be better off? Will the weekly shop be cheaper? The labour market for agriculture is quite reliant on EU itinerant workers. It is very early days. Brexit has already cost me £300 in holiday exchange rate but I'm not complaining. I don;t blame Brexit,I blame my wife for not paying for our holiday before the vote. It was her job. I am quite prepared for short term pain and even medium term pain because I am confident that leaving the EU will be good for Britain and possibly Europe as well. We will know more when the negotiation is complete and then we can discuss where we are and where we go.
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 14 Jul 16 10.44am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Do you still believe this after about every single one of at least 40 odd commentators 12 hours have said Davis will most likely have Theresa May with him whenever needing someone in serious meetings? You're possibly right on May wanting him kept within but also afar from her. I wouldn't say "Friends close but enemies closer" but more on a leash/under control. We'll see on the negotiations; not all commentators agree, but time will tell. Boris will certainly want to play his part, he craves attention more than anything! May wants to keep him away from Westminster as much as possible as she probably, quite sensibly, fears the Ides of March!
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jul 16 10.48am | |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Be interested to know your criteria for strong man of Europe: - Increased position in global economy X (already 5th largest) You could go on and on. The only measure that he can really claim success on is employment, which has not resulted in required increase in GDP because productivity has dropped, but which rightly should be applauded. Edited by OknotOK (14 Jul 2016 10.35am) Rebalancing the economy is something we really need to address and it'll take a while. Soon after every recession the consumer debt issue is all forgotten soon and consumer spending is a big focus again. It's a shame we can't shift away from services in 2 years, replace the tax revenue and see how investment bankers enjoy Frankfurt. I don't think enough infrastructure or really any infrastructure spending was implemented. There was also a reduction in housing from already insufficient investment/incentives. Wasnt it something like 700,000 new homes Dave said? It used to be 200,000 a year and that wasn't enough.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jul 16 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
We'll see on the negotiations; not all commentators agree, but time will tell. Boris will certainly want to play his part, he craves attention more than anything! May wants to keep him away from Westminster as much as possible as she probably, quite sensibly, fears the Ides of March! Which commentators have said Boris will play a full role or even be involved or want to be involved with EU negotiations? I haven't heard one. Not a single one. After I posted that he wasn't necessarily involved in EU negotiations I've listened to lots of the opinions and commentary and haven't heard one person hold the same opinion. Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Jul 2016 10.56am)
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 14 Jul 16 10.56am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Rebalancing the economy is something we really need to address and it'll take a while. Soon after every recession the consumer debt issue is all forgotten soon and consumer spending is a big focus again. It's a shame we can't shift away from services in 2 years, replace the tax revenue and see how investment bankers enjoy Frankfurt. I don't think enough infrastructure or really any infrastructure spending was implemented. There was also a reduction in housing from already insufficient investment/incentives. Wasnt it something like 700,000 new homes Dave said? It used to be 200,000 a year and that wasn't enough. When the coalition were trying to reduce the deficit, they took the easy way to do it. They cut all capital spending to a minimum (although left white elephant projects like HS2 on the table) and didn't try and initially cut the structural spending. That was a mistake - in my view Osborne's biggest one (made for political expediency). And it isn't one that has been rectified. I may have disagreed with his small state ethos, but if he wanted to do it, then he needed to do it. They didn't go anywhere near far enough on reducing government BAU expenditure, but just cut the stuff that was actually going to stimulate growth. Which led to anaemic growth rates for the majority of his term as chancellor. And Osborne was great* at wearing a hard hat and hig-viz jacket on building sites, but he did next to nothing to truly support a change in the makeup of the countries economy. For me Osborne was a failure. And that is on his own measures. Like I said, his only real success was employment. *Read "looked like a total tool" Edited by OknotOK (14 Jul 2016 10.57am)
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Lyons550 Shirley 14 Jul 16 11.03am | |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
Well good luck with that! I suppose it depends what you mean by "control"; bring it down to Dave's "tens of thousands"? Some exit-ers want no immigration at all, some even want repatriation! As the majority of immigration was from outside the EU leaving will have no effect on those, it will take an entirely different approach to ALL immigrants to make any meaningful reduction. And what then for the NHS, care services, catering, hotels, agriculture? Who do you let in and who do you refuse? Refugees? What controls would appease you? Interesting negotiations ahead, I've a feeling the exit-ers are due for a heady helping of cold reality! This is the correct answer, some does not equal ALL and as such the generalisations used to exaggerate each others points are worthless...
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Lyons550 Shirley 14 Jul 16 11.05am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is very early days. Brexit has already cost me £300 in holiday exchange rate but I'm not complaining. I don;t blame Brexit,I blame my wife for not paying for our holiday before the vote. It was her job. I am quite prepared for short term pain and even medium term pain because I am confident that leaving the EU will be good for Britain and possibly Europe as well. We will know more when the negotiation is complete and then we can discuss where we are and where we go. Fortunately I managed to buy my USD the day of vote...saved $700 on todays rates alone! Wohoooo
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Sportyteacher London 14 Jul 16 11.26am | |
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Originally posted by Catfish
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh (gasp) hahahahahahhahahahahahahah!!! Over promote your enemy and watch them sink. Brilliant. ABSOLUTELY right. Theresa: 'Now then Boris: let us put your 'popular' credentials to the test. One faux pas and I will kick you SO hard into political oblivion that not even The Daily Telegraph would be able to save you.'
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Jul 16 11.43am | |
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Boris Johnson, could he be the Tory Peter Mandleson - Someone who came back so often from political death under Blair, that the cabinet had to start collecting garlic and stakes.
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Midlands Eagle 14 Jul 16 1.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Theresa May knows Boris better than I do and he did travel around the globe trying to whip up trade when he was London Mayor.This is of course a different assignment and he will have to be far for statesmanlike than he has been in the past. Didn't Theresa May say recently that Boris went on a trade trip to Germany and all he managed to come back with were three water cannons that ultimately were never used. Trade won't be part of his remit anyway as Liam Fox has been appointed head of the new Department for International Trade
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jul 16 1.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Didn't Theresa May say recently that Boris went on a trade trip to Germany and all he managed to come back with were three water cannons that ultimately were never used. Trade won't be part of his remit anyway as Liam Fox has been appointed head of the new Department for International Trade Indeed but he will need to work with the likes of Liam Fox etc etc. Diplomacy is of course a big (If not major) part of the role, so Boris will need to ensure he is the Statesman and not court jester.I believe he will be up to the task.
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