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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 May 17 6.22pm

Originally posted by pefwin

I am older than you but we agree, sort of. I also dispute JM721s definition of feminism. It would be worth a decent response but for the immediate bigotry shown.

I studied Feminist theory at university, and it was very different, that the popularist nonsense that gets peddled by shrill harridans. Its like thinking that people like Dianne Abbot is indicative of all 'racial politics'.

Ever since, I've been very interested in Feminist theory, its impact etc. Although Radical Feminism is a massive load of bollocks, which gets far more press than it has support.

Seriously, people like Margret Wetherell get massively over looked in popular culture, where as the likes of Andrea Dworkin get all the coverage in the media - Because they're controversial loud and uncomplicated - and easy to just repeat.

Its like anything, you have to dig deeper to get to the substance, because on the surface everyone is just shouting.

Originally posted by pefwin

I'd love to discuss the inability of most of the population to answer a direct question, pronounce a statement of fact without an upward inflection, or the general passive aggressive nature of the world in general..........and why.

Most people are stupid.

 


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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Beckham's fault

And weirdy beardies with their frapplappacinos (this may or may not be based on my inability at the age of 52 to grow facial hair)

.....or indeed testicles YDG !!

 


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I feel sorry for my lad. They're not even allowed to play fight at his school. Should be in the Human Rights Act that little boys can play fight if they so choose.

 


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The whole Aaron Lennon situation that has been in the press today shows why the beating down of overt masculinity is no bad thing at all.

Having to pretend to be a big strong man at all times is not healthy.

Suicide is still, as far as I'm aware, the biggest killer in males under the age of 30. For young guys knowing that it's OK not to be OK and talking about their emotions is a hugely important thing.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 May 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by DanH

The whole Aaron Lennon situation that has been in the press today shows why the beating down of overt masculinity is no bad thing at all.

Having to pretend to be a big strong man at all times is not healthy.

Suicide is still, as far as I'm aware, the biggest killer in males under the age of 30. For young guys knowing that it's OK not to be OK and talking about their emotions is a hugely important thing.

Mental health is a massive issue among the under 30s, male and female, that has been constantly ill informed by macho nonsense from people who haven't had to experience the nightmare of having their own mind out of their control, and actively working against them.

There is nothing weak about getting help for a problem, yet we as a society still stigmatise mental health as somehow being a product of weakness in men.

 


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Originally posted by DanH

The whole Aaron Lennon situation that has been in the press today shows why the beating down of overt masculinity is no bad thing at all.

Having to pretend to be a big strong man at all times is not healthy.

Suicide is still, as far as I'm aware, the biggest killer in males under the age of 30. For young guys knowing that it's OK not to be OK and talking about their emotions is a hugely important thing.

Well, it's more difficult with some than with others......

 


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Sorry for the time it's taken to reply....I've been busy away wrestling alligators.

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

'So you're only two years older than me'!

Not as bright perhaps or as cordial....just more right. (I jest of course, there is no 'right' just preferred worldviews)


Originally posted by jamiemartin721

'Has it, or has the definition of masculinity become more informed from critical perspectives, both within and without. Personally, I don't really ascribe to the idea of machismo, despite it making for some great literature'.

Machismo in it's place is fine....Just most things it has a light and dark element to it. As an expression of maleness it can enable much resolution and bravery.

It's not the only way, but it's a valid path for some if it gets them through life.

There is nothing wrong with masculinity being critiqued....just as feminism is critiqued. What is wrong is the outcome that the majority culture has adopted from those criticisms. The shift has not be to balance things but to demonise masculinity and belittle it.

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

'Can you define what you mean by 'his nature'. Human nature is a remarkably complicated, we aren't simply biologically defined in terms of personality traits.'


In schools, naturally boisterous boys are told off and encouraged to behave more like sensible girls instead of being given the space to express that energy.

Competitive behaviour is frowned upon.

In adults, finding girls sexually attractive and expressing it becomes a minefield of behavioral problems.

Not believing in 'equality' as a truth becomes socially unacceptable. Even though it is plainly a human concept applied to mostly humans and has little to do with reality.

Our personality traits are most definitely heavily influenced by our biological and hormonal realities. No one is saying that is one hundred percent of course. Though the breakdown is still up for debate...if anything nature is said to have more influence than nurture.

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

'Such as. I think some times people can go too far into the absurd, but I think also that some elements of masculine culture can be experienced very differently by other males and especially by women.'

Of course, I would wholeheartedly agree. This is not me arguing that those who don't sign up to an image of masculinity should sign up....No not at all. I think a moderating shift was not a bad outcome...But that's not what has happened.

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

'Its an interesting point, why are almost all violent criminals and sex offenders men. Crimes committed by women, not all women, but most, tend to be relatively minor'.

I would agree...But I also note that women convicted for the same crimes as men receive lighter sentences than men....For me that just confirms the legal bias we have...Which is just one of the biases against masculinity being perceived as automatically bad.

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

'It odd, I think its liberating not to have to conform to specific socially definitions of 'what makes you a man'. Is it damaging to critically assess male power and male identity in society? Why is that damaging to 'be responsible for your own actions and being' surely that's better than being determined entirely by biological impulses.'

I'm not really arguing against that. You don't have to conform and I'm not sure you ever really had to...I myself spent most of the time at school stuck in the library....No, What I'm arguing against is the new dynamic within society which discriminates against masculinity.....Which is some cases is most definitely an individual's nature....Just as you get your 'girly girl' you will get your by nature 'alpha male'....One is considered cute and the other is demonised.


Originally posted by jamiemartin721

'Nonsense, the problem is more an ignorance of feminism and a sense of hysteria among men about how the social shift in power has hit them. Obviously, there are some people among the more radical fringes who are crazy, but feminism informs us from an outsider perspective of what it is to be a man, from a woman's perspective - which is just as valid as a mans view. Feminism is just as critical of women, as men'.

I don't think it's hysteria....I think it's grounded in reality.

As for feminism....Which feminism? First wave had a point. Third wave is even rejected by most women....though unfortunately it's the ones in power who believe in it...and they are mostly men and they are the ones causing these problems in the culture.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2017 9.32pm)

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Vikings - All I can say is Lagatha really f**king does it for me. Shield maidens are sexy as f**k.

300 couldn't be more homoerotic if they were all having sex with each other

Isn't this an indication of how divorced from reality your take on this is?

Shield maidens were a very very very very tiny number of women and that's if they ever existed at all. There is no actual proof of them. If they did they were probably very rarely the equal of men in actual combat.

In popular culture they have been hugely over blown....In part to satisfy the urges for unreality of blokes like your good self.

Yet here you mock the 300. That's an actual real event we are pretty sure about that must of involved much masculinity.

Whether the Spartans were actually f-cking each other is besides the point...It's another area of debate...Though it must be remembered that reproduction in Sparta was enforced...Like most things.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2017 9.13pm)

 


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Originally posted by Part Time James

And no, it wasn't about developing into ugly androgynous people within one generation. From an evolutionary point of view the human race is getting uglier and harder to distinguish between male and female. Still, a mouth's a mouth eh?

In the distant future....If you think about it then it becomes likely that we will chemically gain control over much of our impulses.

You will probably be taking a hormonal drug to heighten the pleasures of activities without actually harming ourselves.

 


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Originally posted by DanH

The whole Aaron Lennon situation that has been in the press today shows why the beating down of overt masculinity is no bad thing at all.

Having to pretend to be a big strong man at all times is not healthy.

Suicide is still, as far as I'm aware, the biggest killer in males under the age of 30. For young guys knowing that it's OK not to be OK and talking about their emotions is a hugely important thing.


Your attitude is pretty much all that is needed to prove the reality of the title post.

Higher suicide in males is a biological reality of being a male. Look into it.

Masculinity and femininity are part social construct but they are also facets of nature to more or lesser extent in every individual.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2017 9.11pm)

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 03 May 17 9.26pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

A blog is no different to a diary and diaries are for teenage girls. No one that writes a blog or keeps a diary could ever call themself a man.

I'd go as far as to say that a man that writes a blog about vegan food should have to give up his b*llocks to someone that actually needs them.

This has become a major problem within the world. Giving stage to narcissism and self indulgence and faux spiritualism. This leads onto people being fake as f*** and blowing smoke up the bloggers arse, this further entitling them to write more banal crap about their journeys and s*** like like that. I'm sure you witnessed this a fair amount in a Sydney, where this type of thing is rife James?

Edited by Brentmiester_General (03 May 2017 9.27pm)

 


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Most women want a man to be a man and not a violent, sexist pig nor a baggy trousered ballet enthusiast.

If you can manage that balance, which is not difficult, you'll be ok.

 


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