What subs did mr de Boer have at his disposal then?

If you mr parish back him in the market. He backed other managers who had a vast amount of experience in big Sam and Pardew. How is 8m plus 2 loans enough to implement a new style. Your obviously like other fans that think parish is immune from criticism.

Edited by Dan89 (12 Aug 2017 10.08pm)

Underprepared yesterday but it's all ok.

The problem with this wonderful counter-attacking game that apparently we're so brilliant at is that it relies on the other team pushing up and our defence being quick enough when the game goes back the other way. You don't generally have control of the game and when teams sit deep we haven't had the players who were able to break teams down. Before we get all dewy eyed about the end of last season remember we lost four out of the last five games including 2-0 at home to Burnley and a 5-0 thrashing by Man City.

Don't get me wrong, Big Sam did a great job in keeping us up and I would have liked to have seen what he could have done this year. He identified our two big weaknesses that being a lack of fitness and the defence being disorganised and he motivated the players and helped them get on a run which ensured our safety. In reality he wasn't here long enough to truly judge him. If Pardew had left at the end of his first (half) season and the first half of the following then I imagine our views on him would be very different too.

For me I want to see two things: progression in our play and signs that FdB has the tactical nous to adjust things according to what is happening in a game. The first point would be ridiculous to judge for at least half a dozen games, and the second part was seen today when he shifted things around and we looked a better (if not great) team.

If we're still playing as badly as we did today after half-a-dozen games with no improvement then I'll start to worry, but personally I think we'll see a big improvement next week even if we lose.

A good manager, finds a formation that Suits current crop. Instead de Boer come up with this fantasy formation that Ajax used to play. That the majority of the existing players aren't comfortable in. 5 at the back hasn't worked at Palace. The last 3 times we played it in a competitive game. Lost to city, Sunderland and yesterday. We didn't create as many chances as them. 3-0 flattered us, they should of beat us 5-1. It was no illusion to me parish, with de Boer background he would play a passing game. Now surely after seeing pardew struggle last season with parish, who seems a clever owner and fan that it doesn't suit our players. When he appointed big Sam, mentioned about 'turning the dial back'. To think he gonna turn us into Barca/Ajax team on 8m and 2 youth loans is laughable.

I agree with that but im not making that purile assumption... have you considered that they know this as well, what better way to get the point across than to hang players out to dry to get more in?

I mean you're the one that keeps posting all these threads about players we're linked with, so to make the assumption no one else is coming in is laughable as you clearly believe everything you see on t***ter and all the other 3rd rate sources.

There has to be a threat to choke somewhere down the line. It's a results business and as such it is normal for their to be individuals that are culpable for a loss.