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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Aug 17 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yep, if you don't nip it in the bud you'll end up tacitly supporting white sumpremacism.

Haven't read the story. Will post laterer when I have.

You have no understanding of middle ground, do you.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Yeah, it's all those pakistani men doing it. Every single pakistani man will be looked upon differentmy now.

I understand what Sarah Champion meant and it's a valid argument. However, whether it was a poor way of phrasing or the Sun stitching her up or both, the message has come across poorly. Added to the fact that it meant the Sun was emboldened enough to cite Champion when using the phrase, 'the Muslim problem in an editorial. It's almost like they're seeing what they can get away with.

There are ways of getting your point over but you can't, as a labour shadow minister walk into a 'suntrap'.

I would like to know what Corbyn's actual view is but it's a comment on modern life that he could not give it.

Otherwise we simply think what she said was true but labour is not big enough to face the truth.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Aug 17 5.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have no understanding of middle ground, do you.

You have no understanding of the wink smiley.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Aug 17 5.20pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yep. Because that is way more important than young white girls being raped unchallenged.

Seek help.

You can't equate the 2. The rhetoric is that all pakistani men should be viewed with suspicion.
That's like saying all white men should be viewed with suspicion because of the crimes of Jimmy Seville at al.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Aug 17 5.23pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

You have no understanding of the wink smiley.

Not from you comrade.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Aug 17 5.24pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

There are ways of getting your point over but you can't, as a labour shadow minister walk into a 'suntrap'.

I would like to know what Corbyn's actual view is but it's a comment on modern life that he could not give it.

Otherwise we simply think what she said was true but labour is not big enough to face the truth.

Mr Corbyn said he accepted Ms Champion's resignation, saying his party would not "blame any particular group or demonise any particular group [and] the issue is one of safety of individuals."
He added he was looking forward to working with her in the future because she is "totally committed to protecting vulnerable women".

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Aug 17 5.29pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

You can't equate the 2. The rhetoric is that all pakistani men should be viewed with suspicion.
That's like saying all white men should be viewed with suspicion because of the crimes of Jimmy Seville at al.

That is clearly ridiculous, but people will develop a strategy to protect themselves using the most basic premise, as you know. That is human nature.
However, we can't allow very nasty crimes to go unpunished because the perpetrators fit or have become a stereotype. That is an unfortunate side efect.

 

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View Lakeview's Profile Lakeview Flag Lincoln 17 Aug 17 5.58pm Send a Private Message to Lakeview Add Lakeview as a friend

Sadly, there are still several Muslim countries where rapists avoid punishment if they offer to marry the victim. Rape was used as a weapon of war & terror-inducing tactic by "the prophet", who from what I've read, said women-including married ones- who were not Muslim were free to rape and take as slaves. His own sexual relations with a 9 year old are quietly accepted/ignored by the faithful and are bound to affect attitudes of some, though not all, followers of Islam. Because of this there is a likelihood that gangs such as the one in Rotherham are likely to emerge. Not all Muslims are rapists, but some teachings and attitudes make some predisposed to attitudes which lead to disrespect of women they consider inferior, don't you agree?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Aug 17 6.19pm

Originally posted by Lakeview

Sadly, there are still several Muslim countries where rapists avoid punishment if they offer to marry the victim. Rape was used as a weapon of war & terror-inducing tactic by "the prophet", who from what I've read, said women-including married ones- who were not Muslim were free to rape and take as slaves. His own sexual relations with a 9 year old are quietly accepted/ignored by the faithful and are bound to affect attitudes of some, though not all, followers of Islam. Because of this there is a likelihood that gangs such as the one in Rotherham are likely to emerge. Not all Muslims are rapists, but some teachings and attitudes make some predisposed to attitudes which lead to disrespect of women they consider inferior, don't you agree?

Women were hammered straight away in the bible original sin and all that.

You say from what you've read. Whare did you read this?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Aug 17 6.21pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The left posters on here are very quite on this (with the honourable exception of steeleye20) wonder why.

I tend to not look at posts you create.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Aug 17 6.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You can't equate the 2. The rhetoric is that all pakistani men should be viewed with suspicion.
That's like saying all white men should be viewed with suspicion because of the crimes of Jimmy Seville at al.

In truth, given that almost all rapists and child sex offenders are male, and those that aren't typically facilitate abuse by men - It would probably be advisable for any man to be view with suspicion, irrespective of race.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 17 Aug 17 6.25pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I tend to not look at posts you create.

Really? How come you tend to respond to all of them then?

 


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