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 southnorwoodhill  01 Apr 18 8.50am |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
the ref did alright first half second half he was like a different person i wonder at times if someone is in there ear telling them how the game should go too often this happens with big teams The South East Asian betting market is huge
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 01 Apr 18 9.01am |
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Mane's handball may well of been because he expected a foul to be awarded, but it also meant that it was an act that '' deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession ''. I can accept that referees can make mistakes but this was a failure to apply the laws and that I can't accept. And I really don't get this double punishment business either. When Wilf got flattened by their 'keeper that should have been a red a card. If a similar foul had taken place by another player in another part of the pitch, you could expect that to be a red card and a free kick. Why there should be differing rules just because the offense was in the penalty area ?
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| Bullhorn76 Darlington 01 Apr 18 9.26am |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Regarding our Penalty in some ways you can say we was lucky because Wilfs foot was way too high so ref would of stopped the game for that. At the end of the day we threw away another game it was nothing to do with the ref and had Mane been sent off whos to say we would of gone on to win anyway the past has shown we don't do well against 10 men Managed against Watford ok earlier in the season when they went down to 10 men
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| JRW2 Dulwich 01 Apr 18 9.41am |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Mane's handball may well of been because he expected a foul to be awarded, but it also meant that it was an act that '' deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession ''. I can accept that referees can make mistakes but this was a failure to apply the laws and that I can't accept. And I really don't get this double punishment business either. When Wilf got flattened by their 'keeper that should have been a red a card. If a similar foul had taken place by another player in another part of the pitch, you could expect that to be a red card and a free kick. Why there should be differing rules just because the offense was in the penalty area ? Forgive my ignorance, Neillo, but are you saying that the rules provide for two classes of handball? First, such as you quote, where it is deliberate and blatant; and second, where it's deliberate but not blatant.(Obviously, if it's not deliberate at all, then there's no handball.) My point is that some posters - as well as that well known expert, Alan Shearer - seem to be saying that because the referee gave a free kick, it was a yellow. But every week across the country virtually every handball is punished only by a free kick, so what was different about this one? It could hardly be described as depriving us of a clear scoring opportunity (particularly with Benteke waiting in the middle!).
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 01 Apr 18 9.59am |
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Originally posted by JRW2
Forgive my ignorance, Neillo, but are you saying that the rules provide for two classes of handball? First, such as you quote, where it is deliberate and blatant; and second, where it's deliberate but not blatant.(Obviously, if it's not deliberate at all, then there's no handball.) My point is that some posters - as well as that well known expert, Alan Shearer - seem to be saying that because the referee gave a free kick, it was a yellow. But every week across the country virtually every handball is punished only by a free kick, so what was different about this one? It could hardly be described as depriving us of a clear scoring opportunity (particularly with Benteke waiting in the middle!). Well, I copied and pasted that bit from Willo's post on the matter, which quoted the rules ! Mane's actions did deny Palace possession of the ball in a dangerous area ( although I take your point re Benteke ! ), and it was deliberate - so has to be a yellow card. Increasingly handball is given in circumstances where players can't avoid the contact but those do usually go unpunished apart from the free kick being awarded.
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 Apr 18 10.22am |
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Originally posted by Willo
A deliberate handball does not automatically mean a caution. The Law states : There are circumstances when a caution for unsporting In terms of the incident involving Mane, there is no dispute that he deliberately handled but he might have done so because he thought he had been fouled hence a free kick. In terms of an opponent gaining possession if my recollection is correct, McCarthy was not near the ball and Mane was nearest to it and was favourite to get to it first. Obviously I don't know what was going through the referees mind so any comment as to the possibilities would be pure speculation. In any event the debate is about the referee who at the end of the day didn't lose us the game,in fact he made an excellent decision NOT to award a penalty when Mane went to ground.Step forward Messrs Benteke and Sakho who certainly played their part in our defeat. Watch it again, Mane had lost possession and again was on his a*** (possibly another dive) and Cabaye would have been past him WITH THE BALL, in my book that is stopping an opponent gaining possession. We all know you will never say the ref was wrong but he was. Did that lose us the game, probably not. Could it have had a bearing on the result, absolutely. Apparently Paddy Power tweeted the ref had reached into his card pocket but then changed his mind... corruption? who knows. Cheating? possibly. Bottling a big decision against a top club? Absoulutely
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 10.26am |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Well, I copied and pasted that bit from Willo's post on the matter, which quoted the rules ! Mane's actions did deny Palace possession of the ball in a dangerous area ( although I take your point re Benteke ! ), and it was deliberate - so has to be a yellow card. Increasingly handball is given in circumstances where players can't avoid the contact but those do usually go unpunished apart from the free kick being awarded. As I mentioned before (And quoted the law), a deliberate handball is not a mandatory caution.All depends on the circumstances. Not seen the TV footage but in Mane's case, to my humble self it didn't look as though he handled the ball to prevent our team getting possession he handled because he thought Liverpool were getting a free kick.But he will know the reason and all of us can only speculate.And we can only speculate as to what Swarbrick was thinking.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 10.31am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Watch it again, Mane had lost possession and again was on his a*** (possibly another dive) and Cabaye would have been past him WITH THE BALL, in my book that is stopping an opponent gaining possession. We all know you will never say the ref was wrong but he was. Did that lose us the game, probably not. Could it have had a bearing on the result, absolutely. Apparently Paddy Power tweeted the ref had reached into his card pocket but then changed his mind... corruption? who knows. Cheating? possibly. Bottling a big decision against a top club? Absoulutely I have consistently said that referees DO err from time to time - they are not always right. On average they make approx 245 decisions in a game and make on average 5 mistakes which means they are right 98% of the time.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 11.34am |
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I have now seen the footage on 'Goals and Sunday' so got a better view of the incident. It does look as though Mane handled the ball to prevent Cabaye getting possession and Cabaye would have been in a good position to burst through.Of course Swarbrick will have to explain his thinking when his performance is 'Forensically' analysed. But Swarbrick was spot-on with the non-award of a penalty and the dive by Mane.So I don't agree with all this talk of "Big club bias" and all that pilaver in relation to Mane not being given a second yellow. But as I mentioned before, on average PL referees are right 98% of the time which of course is a high average.
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| chris123 hove actually 01 Apr 18 11.37am |
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Originally posted by Willo
I have consistently said that referees DO err from time to time - they are not always right. On average they make approx 245 decisions in a game and make on average 5 mistakes which means they are right 98% of the time. I have no reason to doubt your stats - the problem is 97% aren't game changers - it's the critical ones that the error rate has been so prevalent. Yesterday being yet another example.
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| steven_t92 Orpington 01 Apr 18 11.38am |
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Can't stop cringing over the Liverpool fans saying contact is a foul. A foul is contact that brings you down, exactly why it wasn't a penalty as he had to jump up to fall over seconds later. Have actually banned myself from Twitter for the day as it's too painful to read some Liverpool fans so deluded of the rules.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 11.50am |
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Originally posted by steven_t92
Can't stop cringing over the Liverpool fans saying contact is a foul. A foul is contact that brings you down, exactly why it wasn't a penalty as he had to jump up to fall over seconds later. Have actually banned myself from Twitter for the day as it's too painful to read some Liverpool fans so deluded of the rules. They are talking hogwash.And we hear talk of Liverpool supporters being "Knowledgable".
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