Maybe you'd get it, if you heard the statement made by a Palestinian hero at the UN. Watched it yet SE20?
The link I mean.
If you don't, I will pursue until you do. Getting it yet?

Edited by Park Road (07 Jun 2018 4.51pm)

Idioms, idioms. Construct an argument. Watch my link

Responsible jewish leaders like Michael Howard do not recognise machine gunning protestors as acceptable.

Few Points:

The fence is not a border. The people of Gaza are under the occupying control of Israel since the 1967 war. How is it a border? Remeber there is no country of Palestine - so this is not a border.

As the occupying power the government of Israel has a responsibility to the inhabintants of Gaza. However since the Democratic election of Hamas in free and fair elections Israel has imposed illegal collective punishment on the 2 million people of Gaza (for exercising their democratic right - the result of which Israel didn't like).
This collective punishment has meant that Gaza has become an open prison where Water and Power have been rationed. The economy has been destroyed by a blockade and 2 wars. Everyday items are prevented from entering Gaza on the pretence that they could be used as weapons. In response to this Gazans built tunnels to sneak in items. Fisherman are regularly shot and killed by the Israeli navy. Farmers are shot and killed in the fields near the fence. Regular incursions over the fence by Israel are used to bulldoze houses, olive groves and crops. The Israeli airforce overfly the City "sonic booming" the residents nightly.
This is a living hell for the residents where Israel controls nearly every aspect of their daily lives.
It has also not dislodged Hamas - Whose govenment is one of the only employers of anyone in the city where 50% are unemployed.
Hamas are not nice people, and have a horrible charter that seeks the destruction of Israel; but characterising people in desperate situations all as terrorists is incorrect. Gaza contains all sorts of men women and children with all sorts of views, all sorts of dreams and aspirations. They are like any other city - but put yourself in their situation - what would you do? You can only poke people with a stick so much.
Israel does not seek any peace. they are happy with the status quo where their creeping colonialisation of the west bank continues, and where the Palestinians are marginalised economically and physically into Bantustans.Unable to build new homes, restricted from driving on settler only roads. This is the very definition of Apartheid. It is on the basis of this that we as individuals, organisations and governements should be boycotting Israel until it changes its policies and engages in genuine peace negotiations.

Palace Fan

This would be a 'fool's charter' for Israel.

The two state solution is a failed project. The Israeli left tried, but it ended in blood.....It would do so again. I'm afraid there is no zero sum game here.

The two state solution would be Israel simply strengthening an enemy at its border for when another attacked it.

While I regard what's happening as terrible, that's what war is.....and this is a war. The Palestinians will be slowly made to leave until Israel eventually makes the big push.

I would advise any Palestinian who is interested in a future to leave.

That's injustice....I make no bones about it, but it's the best advice.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2018 5.22pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Haifa, not Tel Aviv, was mooted but never the confirmed venue. The venue was confirmed weeks ago so to use that as an excuse to pull out this late doesn't wash.

Argentina pulled out because Messi got death threats and refused to go, and his team mates followed suit.

Both Israeli officials and officials with the Argentine Football Association said threats had been made against Lionel Messi, the star of Argentina’s national team, and other members of the team.

“My responsibility as the president of the A.F.A. is to work for the safety of my people, which is why I made this decision,”

Optimistic as ever