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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 24 Sep 18 1.47pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

The TUC have just come out with the brilliant idea that workers should only do a 4 days week. Have they seen the state of the high street? Companies are dropping like flies and before long many TUC members will be enjoying 7 days a week off.

I am all in favour of flexible working hours but they expect to work less for the same pay. Well I want a date with Kylie and that aint going to happen either.

This is a misrepresentation of what they said. They said that, if the benefits of automation are shared fairly with workers, then by the end of the century we should be able to benefit from working a 4 day week for the same money. Which should be a fairly uncontroversial statement.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Sep 18 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

I did some contract work for a firm that had recently floated having been privately owned for years. Staff were awarded shares partly based on years of service, and the IPO was at £2.15 - in 2012 the shares traded at over £17.00. Needless to say there were some who made some serious money.

And good luck to them.

I worked for a major US bank and in 2008 held £100,000 in shares which I paid for and saved for through a company scheme from the 1990s. Unfortunately by the end of 2008 the shares were worth 1 cent each. So bye bye to my glorious retirement. I kept them and today they are worth about £8,000 which is still less than what I originally bought for them for which was £10,500.

You could argue that I should have sold them earlier but I didn't so there it is. I think share incentive schemes are a great idea just don't force companies into it.

 


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Deleted11 24 Sep 18 2.29pm

It's all show and nothing else. The problem has always been globalisation.
I didn't vote for Brexit, but completely understand the frustrations of the people that did vote for it, but Brexit won't give you the salary increases you're looking for just like the forced share issues are unlikely to as well.
If you can make an Iphone in Taiwan, where the daily wage is 20p, then there is very little chance wages in the UK are gonna go up, barring insane inflation.
Now the shares may well yield dividends, but I can think of one better solution than forcing companies to give their employees shares and that is for the Government to take a 50/50 stake in all patents that tax payer money has subsidised. It's actually quite ludicrous the amount of tech grants there are flying around and the gvrnt literally has no payback of it.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Sep 18 3.07pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

The John Lewis Group (Waitrose Etc) have had this sort of thing for many years now .....

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Sep 18 3.36pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Jway89

It's all show and nothing else. The problem has always been globalisation.
I didn't vote for Brexit, but completely understand the frustrations of the people that did vote for it, but Brexit won't give you the salary increases you're looking for just like the forced share issues are unlikely to as well.
If you can make an Iphone in Taiwan, where the daily wage is 20p, then there is very little chance wages in the UK are gonna go up, barring insane inflation.
Now the shares may well yield dividends, but I can think of one better solution than forcing companies to give their employees shares and that is for the Government to take a 50/50 stake in all patents that tax payer money has subsidised. It's actually quite ludicrous the amount of tech grants there are flying around and the gvrnt literally has no payback of it.

Very good point.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Sep 18 9.05pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

John mcdonald on the wireless this morning said it would start at 1% and annually to 10%.
The max anyone would get as a stakeholder or whatever the description was about £500
That would roughly be at about the 4_5% mark.
The rest onwards and not dished out was to be used for social projects like schools and hospitals.
Yeh right im sure it would.
Never heard so much bullcrap
It would be syphoned off and used on crap things as they would say the schools etc were already budgeted for.
Its a big con to win votes from gullible poor people.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Sep 18 9.13pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

What? Have you ever worked in an FCA registered business? You're FORCED to do things all the time. For that matter have you ever worked in a company? They are all FORCED to pay tax every year. What a scandal.

If you look at the level of business investment it's in the doldrums. Businesses are sitting on huge piles of cash and more and more they are repatriating huge amounts to shareholders. This is bad for the economy. It's one of the main reasons corporate productivity since 2008 has been so awful.

Talking of productivity, had workers’ wages kept track with the rise in their productivity since 1990, the average employee would today be 20% better off. Or they could have three-day weekends all year long and still get paid the same.

Furthermore, labour had been getting smaller and smaller slices of the pie: from 70% of national income in the 1970s to 55% now. By the reckoning of the Bank of England's chief economist, employees get proportionately less now than they did at the very outset of the Industrial Revolution in the 1770s.


Given that shareholders benefit from limited liability and the infrastructure which the public pay for, plus all the upside of outperformance, there should be more of a compunction for companies to be part owned by their employees or the state. We're talking 10% max, not mass state ownership. This should have been happening years ago, and should have formed the basis of a sovereign wealth fund. What's more we should go further and have state owned VC and PE vehicles which provide funds for start ups in sectors such as tech, medicine, engineering etc. which then would retain 5-10% of the shares on any listing and plough the profits from listing or sale back into public projects such as infrastructure and education.


This policy I predict will be hugely popular. It's a shame (but not surprising) that the right wing rags have barely reported on it for fear that their readers would (rightly) think it rather a decent policy and one worth voting for.

Yup ive been employed for all but 4 of 35 years.
Forced to do things in my opinion is.
Do your job youre paid to do.
I dont care if they are cash rich and looking after share holders.
You agree a wage so there is no argument.
If its not enough then suck it up .arrange or negotiate a pay rise or jog on.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 24 Sep 18 10.34pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I think instead of shares wages should be linked from the top earners to the bottom.
If the chief executive gets a rise all workers get the same %

If the top bosses get a bonus the other employees get the same % of earnings.

Another person who should read the new corporate governance code. In LSE listed companies you should not give rises to top executives in excess of average rises within your company.

Edited by Mapletree (24 Sep 2018 10.36pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Sep 18 5.56am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Another person who should read the new corporate governance code. In LSE listed companies you should not give rises to top executives in excess of average rises within your company.

Edited by Mapletree (24 Sep 2018 10.36pm)

Rises or bonuses In % or in pound notes.
2% of 200000 is a lot more than 2% of 20000.
Where do you put the line in the sand.
These people are at the top because they have either formed the company, bring in loads of business or are (normally ) i state; very good at their job.
Surely when you get a contract of employment it states your pay and added benefits. If you accept then you should do just that, accept it.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 25 Sep 18 10.53am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Fine idea, taking a share of the profits as dividends during the good times, as long as, like any other recipient of a dividend, they are prepared to put money back into the company during hard times........

I totally get where you are coming from, Becky, however (pedantically perhaps) shareholders aren’t expected to put money into their company during hard times. Hard times are likely to result in a fall in share price or a cut in dividend - most likely both - but there’s no obligation to inject more cash. In the scheme that’s being proposed, I imagine that a fall in dividend is likely to prompt demands for higher wages so as to make up the difference in income. Just what a struggling company doesn’t need!

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 25 Sep 18 12.25pm

Sorry but this is just another corporate stealth tax. EE's are allowed a small dividend all else goes to Corbyn once a proposed low cap is reached.

 


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View Kempez's Profile Kempez Flag anywhere but here 25 Sep 18 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Kempez Add Kempez as a friend

I think the biggest issue with this is it could further decrease our manufacturing industries as costs rise and products can often be made for less abroad, especially with the uncertainty regarding brexit as there is no clear plan 6 months out.

I do think everyone should have a living wage but how do you define this, if you spend it on say Football (as a lot of us do) is that to be covered, should alcohol/cigarettes, sky, latest phone etc be included? Where I live there is a mix of social and private houses, the 'luxury' goods are much more prevalent in the social housing rather than private.

I think it is a very tough job to make it fair for everyone from the position we are currently in. It has to be more rewarding to work than not unless circumstances (children, illness, disability etc) mean you cannot work and you should then be fully supported. No Idea how you can achieve that though!

 


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