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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 25 Sep 18 1.52pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

John mcdonald on the wireless this morning said.....

The wireless? Blimey, how old are you

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Sep 18 2.31pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I totally get where you are coming from, Becky, however (pedantically perhaps) shareholders aren’t expected to put money into their company during hard times. Hard times are likely to result in a fall in share price or a cut in dividend - most likely both - but there’s no obligation to inject more cash. In the scheme that’s being proposed, I imagine that a fall in dividend is likely to prompt demands for higher wages so as to make up the difference in income. Just what a struggling company doesn’t need!

Just a thought if a company is in financial difficulty the shareholders are not obliged to inject more cash. What happens if the workers refuse to put more cash in but a other parties do? Normally your shareholdings are diluted so your percentage of shares owned decreases. That is fair enough if you are not willing to risk good money after bad. The workers? Well if they had 10% of the stock do they still retain that percentage after the shares have been diluted?

Edited by Badger11 (25 Sep 2018 2.32pm)

Edited by Badger11 (25 Sep 2018 2.33pm)

 


One more point

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Sep 18 2.36pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

The wireless? Blimey, how old are you

But it is though
Radio is the form of transmission like radio waves
I was listening to it wirelessly.
Ok 52

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Sep 18 2.41pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Sorry but this is just another corporate stealth tax. EE's are allowed a small dividend all else goes to Corbyn once a proposed low cap is reached.

Spot on
That is exactly what it is
Cloaked in a promise of dough so like i said the poorer will love it without seeing it for what it is and all of us will be screwed once the companies fall on hard times and cant pay no more.
Who pays the shortfall
You got it.
us

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Sep 18 2.43pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Laboutr are known for spunking money then not giving a toss when they lose their role of government.
Thats what the tories had to deal with.
Short memories for some people.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 25 Sep 18 2.52pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Laboutr are known for spunking money then not giving a toss when they lose their role of government.
Thats what the tories had to deal with.
Short memories for some people.

You don"t need to look back wards, just look today under the CONservatives, brexit shambles, nhs shambles, crime shambles, rail shambles, easy as ABC, Anyone but the CONS!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Sep 18 4.12pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You don"t need to look back wards, just look today under the CONservatives, brexit shambles, nhs shambles, crime shambles, rail shambles, easy as ABC, Anyone but the CONS!

Brexit will be decided by 27 other countries
Ideas given might not be accepted.
The nhs is wonderful.
Treatment when you need it. The envy of the world in its concept and operation. You have a choice to go private!
How can the government be responsible for dickheads running around stabbing each other and oiks on bikes robbing people. Drivers who drink and speed. I think there has to be an element of responsibility to the individual.
Railways were and always will be a loss leader in state hands so being private makes sense.
Watch your water bills rocket if labout get in and take it back. Be scared to have a shower.
And i was born and lived in croydon before i get the you dont know statement.
Next!!!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 25 Sep 18 4.37pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Brexit will be decided by 27 other countries
Ideas given might not be accepted.
The nhs is wonderful.
Treatment when you need it. The envy of the world in its concept and operation. You have a choice to go private!
How can the government be responsible for dickheads running around stabbing each other and oiks on bikes robbing people. Drivers who drink and speed. I think there has to be an element of responsibility to the individual.
Railways were and always will be a loss leader in state hands so being private makes sense.
Watch your water bills rocket if labout get in and take it back. Be scared to have a shower.
And i was born and lived in croydon before i get the you dont know statement.
Next!!!

You don"t know statement? Whats Croydon got to do with the state of the elected government failing on the nhs, crime, brexit and the railways? Wireless? Did you go to a grammar school by any chance? you sound a bit like "nanny will do it", rees mogg, nothing wrong with grammar schools or any good schools by the way, but wireless? Do you go in to currys, in chatham, and ask for a wireless?

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 25 Sep 18 5.05pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You don"t know statement? Whats Croydon got to do with the state of the elected government failing on the nhs, crime, brexit and the railways? Wireless? Did you go to a grammar school by any chance? you sound a bit like "nanny will do it", rees mogg, nothing wrong with grammar schools or any good schools by the way, but wireless? Do you go in to currys, in chatham, and ask for a wireless?

I have always referred to the radio as "the wireless".
And a little note on the NHS.
My other half has had problems with her knees recently(30 years a postwoman).and has had a lot of treatment,they found a cyst in her thigh,but thankfully benign.
But the point is where we live the doctors, hospitals have all been brilliant and super efficient.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 25 Sep 18 5.06pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Jway89

It's all show and nothing else. The problem has always been globalisation.
I didn't vote for Brexit, but completely understand the frustrations of the people that did vote for it, but Brexit won't give you the salary increases you're looking for just like the forced share issues are unlikely to as well.
If you can make an Iphone in Taiwan, where the daily wage is 20p, then there is very little chance wages in the UK are gonna go up, barring insane inflation.
Now the shares may well yield dividends, but I can think of one better solution than forcing companies to give their employees shares and that is for the Government to take a 50/50 stake in all patents that tax payer money has subsidised. It's actually quite ludicrous the amount of tech grants there are flying around and the gvrnt literally has no payback of it.

That is a far more radical scheme than anything offered by Labour this week. It would include most of the private infrastructure in this country, as well as the world wide web and nearly all pharmaceuticals.

Would be interesting for sure!

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Sep 18 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You don"t need to look back wards, just look today under the CONservatives, brexit shambles, nhs shambles, crime shambles, rail shambles, easy as ABC, Anyone but the CONS!

Do you make yourself laugh?

Are you seriously suggesting that the Tories are solely responsible for the above?

Do be serious.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 25 Sep 18 5.12pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Just a thought if a company is in financial difficulty the shareholders are not obliged to inject more cash. What happens if the workers refuse to put more cash in but a other parties do? Normally your shareholdings are diluted so your percentage of shares owned decreases. That is fair enough if you are not willing to risk good money after bad. The workers? Well if they had 10% of the stock do they still retain that percentage after the shares have been diluted?

Edited by Badger11 (25 Sep 2018 2.32pm)

Edited by Badger11 (25 Sep 2018 2.33pm)

I perhaps shouldn’t have used the words “there’s no obligation to inject cash”. What I meant was that when a company hits hard times, its shareholders DON’T inject new cash.

What you are referring to my old Badger is a rights issue (or similar) where a company aims to raise extra capital from its shareholders. This would tend to take place in ‘good times’ or ‘optimistic times’ ie a business looking to expand. To answer your question, yes - in theory those shareholders who don’t take part in the rights issue ie don’t stump up the capital will end up with a smaller share of the company than before. Someone may need to help me here, but I think that their ‘rights’ then go to the marketplace - in other words other investors can buy the ‘right’ to inject the capital and thereby acquire new shares at a lower price than the ‘old’ shares.

Edited by YT (25 Sep 2018 5.13pm)

 


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