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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 24 Jan 21 11.56am Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I have been wracking my cerebral matter but like you I cannot find any examples.

Some of the players I have considered who went out on loan in recent seasons :

Cadogan, N'Diaye, Sekajja, Pinney, Ladapo, Binnom-Williams, Dymond, Gray, Banton, Djilali, Croll, Appiah.

Well done. I'd forgotten most of those until you mentioned them. And it's fair to say that none of them went off and proved us wrong for releasing them.

Roy gets lots of flak for not blooding youngsters but perhaps the reality is that very very few do have what it takes to perform in the Premier League.

Of course we will never know unless they are given a run out but recent history suggests that management have been correct in their assessment of potential.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 24 Jan 21 1.13pm Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Found this that is interesting, teams ranked by by number of minutes played by academy players, [Link] it's done on total minutes so if Wilf players every minute of the season then we would rank as high for academy players as if five players played 8 games each but it does look like not many teams have more than 4 academy players so maybe we aren't doing as badly as we think .
It also done half way through the season so doesn't include Tyrick Mitchell

 


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View YoDougie's Profile YoDougie Flag London 25 Jan 21 12.45am Send a Private Message to YoDougie Add YoDougie as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Found this that is interesting, teams ranked by by number of minutes played by academy players, [Link] it's done on total minutes so if Wilf players every minute of the season then we would rank as high for academy players as if five players played 8 games each but it does look like not many teams have more than 4 academy players so maybe we aren't doing as badly as we think .
It also done half way through the season so doesn't include Tyrick Mitchell

I know that article is old, but it really makes no sense to include minutes from players who were academy players years ago and now are established. It doesn't really show what people would be interested in - Watford's minutes included Mariappa haha who graduated from their academy, went around other clubs (including ours) and arrived back at theirs.

I'd like the see the same thing but maybe with an age limit cut off (23?)

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 25 Jan 21 4.27am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

It does look like the academy is a big ego thing. We got all these youngsters preening around like top players who clearly aren’t gonna cut it. We got to be way more ruthless at all levels. We don’t seem to get the whole system. We got loads of older players free to walk this summer. Take Benteke. Costs us £6m a year. Last 2 seasons hardly played. Now trying to unload him but in three months he can walk for free. So if West Brom want him the most we can hope for is £2m. Anymore and he can ear another £2 m from us then sell himself. We just don’t seem to get it. Player churn. Ruthless. Big Sam has just moved on 6 players at West Brom. We have got to wake up to this while we still can.

 

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View Ketteridge's Profile Ketteridge Flag Brighton 25 Jan 21 9.01am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by YoDougie

I know that article is old, but it really makes no sense to include minutes from players who were academy players years ago and now are established. It doesn't really show what people would be interested in - Watford's minutes included Mariappa haha who graduated from their academy, went around other clubs (including ours) and arrived back at theirs.

I'd like the see the same thing but maybe with an age limit cut off (23?)

Think you are right, Mariappa and Jay Rodriguez at Burnley aswell stretching the point. Think we can just get away wuth including Wilf but Clyne would be included this year. If you wanted to look at which clubs promoted from within and give youth chance of development then it is fair to include Wilf or Ward-Prowse or even Mark Noble
The point of adding the link was that most other clubs other than Arsenal, Chelsea and Man utd aren't stuffed full of young academy players either. Not just a problem for us the whole of football has a problem with getting good young players a chance.

 


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Originally posted by dreamwaverider

It does look like the academy is a big ego thing. We got all these youngsters preening around like top players who clearly aren’t gonna cut it. We got to be way more ruthless at all levels. We don’t seem to get the whole system. We got loads of older players free to walk this summer. Take Benteke. Costs us £6m a year. Last 2 seasons hardly played. Now trying to unload him but in three months he can walk for free. So if West Brom want him the most we can hope for is £2m. Anymore and he can ear another £2 m from us then sell himself. We just don’t seem to get it. Player churn. Ruthless. Big Sam has just moved on 6 players at West Brom. We have got to wake up to this while we still can.

Same for all though. If we sold Benteke for £2m and picked up Demarai Gray for 1.8m and Ferguson on a tribunal fee with both salaries covered by Bentekes, some might say that’s decent business.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 25 Jan 21 9.36am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Same for all though. If we sold Benteke for £2m and picked up Demarai Gray for 1.8m and Ferguson on a tribunal fee with both salaries covered by Bentekes, some might say that’s decent business.

True.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jan 21 9.48am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Same for all though. If we sold Benteke for £2m and picked up Demarai Gray for 1.8m and Ferguson on a tribunal fee with both salaries covered by Bentekes, some might say that’s decent business.

Maybe WBA will agree a fee for Ferguson as part of the Benteke deal?

 


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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Jan 21 9.49am Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

I see another U23 player has gone out on loan, Scott Banks, but, in SCOTLAND, why?

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Imo, he was one of the better players for the U23's along with Webber, Woods & Mathews. Still, i suppose the club knows whats its doing.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 25 Jan 21 9.50am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

So there goes Banks for the rest of the season, just when I thought he was on the cusp of the first team. I really hope he is a regular with us in the premier next season. Just what our first team needs right now. A flair midfielder who can score from outside the box.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

Maybe WBA will agree a fee for Ferguson as part of the Benteke deal?

There is a WBA journalist suggesting that too. I can't see how it will work with Ferguson injured as the fee will now be for potential if he recovers plus a sell on percentage. That fee if it goes to tribunal at present could be around £1 million and a hefty sell on fee. WBA
can't afford Benteke wages and are asking us to subsidise. Benteke needs game time to get into Euros squad.
It depends if Benteke will take a pay drop I suspect he will and also what his plans are on contract. I don't think anyone will offer current wage.
Buying out his contact in full makes no sense, cancelling it by agreement with no buy out does and he then moves for free now.

 

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Originally posted by Ketteridge

Kirby has been out on loan before to Blackpool looks like he did well from what I read at the time but no one has been back in for him so what does that say. If you look at the players over the last few years that have been closest to the first team they have hardly gone on to prove us wrong in our decision to get rid of them.
Levi Lumeka is at Troyes in the French second division, Jason Lokilo is at Doncaster, Sullay Kai Kai is at Blackpool but underperforming according to this from 2 weeks ago [Link] Hiram Boateng is at Cambridge and kicked around a few League 1 and 2 clubs, Gio MacGregor is a Dulwhich Hamlet along with Reece Allassani from a previous generation of future stars . Ryan Innis is at Charlton only played a few games but does seem to be doing ok , to be fair we persevered with him the longest. Even poor old Johnny Williams and he got more of chance then most.
That are not loads of players that we have released because they didn’t get a chance that are tearing up the championship, when Wan Bissaka and Mitchell were good enough they got their chance. Lewis Grabban is the last I can think of who we got shot of and had a good Championship/Career.
We have done well with younger players when we have had to chuck them in like Wan Bissaka or Mullins and Morrison and Clyne, Moses and Zaha who were all given their chances early because of administrations, so may be giving them games at an earlier age gives them the experience they need. Although to be fair Osborne, Rodgers Southgate and later Watson, Soares and Routledge all came through regardless in more settled periods and being skint and forcing us to play hardly helped Woozley and Wayne Carlisle.
So if we had to give Boateng a run of 20 matches would he now be the energetic box to box midfielder we need? Lets see what the academy does over next few years.

Lumeka has actually done well since leaving. Was one of the stars of the Portuguese second tier last season which earned him his move to Troyes and he scored a brace on his debut. Kirby should be playing at a higher level by now and I feel like part of the problem is the lack of opportunities he's been given in the past 4 years.

 


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