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  HKOwen  Hong Kong 28 Aug 21 11.29am |
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Self righteous bollox as usual, no surprise here Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think the electorate "allowed" anything to happen. They had no say in the matter. It just happened. It's not just me that thinks that either. Our own security forces do. I have the greatest respect for genuine democratic outcomes! However, the Brexit referendum was not one. In our representative democracy, such a huge decision ought to have never been exposed to the winds of chance inherent in a referendum. Especially when called by Cameron, and Central Office, in the political interests of the Tory Party and not the country. No referendum in the UK should ever be regarded as binding, but only advisory, because we delegate decisions to our representatives. Those representatives, as a collective body, were firmly of the view that we should remain a member. It was a shameful period in our long history, which future generations will come to view as the nemeses of the UK. We will not recover in my lifetime
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Stirlingsays  28 Aug 21 11.47am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Self righteous bollox as usual, no surprise here I'd say your summary is a pretty accurate one.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 11.58am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Self righteous bollox as usual, no surprise here A total lack of any reasoned rejection of the analysis, as usual, no surprise here.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Aug 21 12.07pm |
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1. Don't be a copycat. 2. If a democratic process doesn't support your desired outcome you cry foul. 3.You can't use semantics to attempt to deny your sneering at the " used " voters.Well you can attempt, but doesn't work in my opinion. 4. Analysis?? It's your opinion, there are no analytics there. At least you are consistent in your hubris. And you can't spell nemesis Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
A total lack of any reasoned rejection of the analysis, as usual, no surprise here. Edited by HKOwen (28 Aug 2021 12.08pm) Edited by HKOwen (28 Aug 2021 12.10pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 28 Aug 21 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has a great deal more involved than just money. It's about priorities and values. I won't try to explain what I am quite sure you already know but if you genuinely want to educate yourself, rather than recite your prejudices, take a look here:- Im not prejudice but if its not all about money why are all celebrities who try to push hmg into a corner about 'poor' peoples needs always after money and more of it. Look at the enhanced universal credit which is being cut back soon.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Aug 21 12.14pm |
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" genuinely want to educate yourself ", what a supercilious cock you are Wisbech Eagle Originally posted by cryrst
Im not prejudice but if its not all about money why are all celebrities who try to push hmg into a corner about 'poor' peoples needs always after money and more of it. Look at the enhanced universal credit which is being cut back soon. Edited by HKOwen (28 Aug 2021 12.15pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
1. Don't be a copycat. 2. If a democratic process doesn't support your desired outcome you cry foul. 3.You can't use semantics to attempt to deny your sneering at the " used " voters.Well you can attempt, but doesn't work in my opinion. 4. Analysis?? It's your opinion, there are no analytics there. At least you are consistent in your hubris. And you can't spell nemesis Edited by HKOwen (28 Aug 2021 12.08pm) Edited by HKOwen (28 Aug 2021 12.10pm) 1) Why not, if it makes a point? 2) BS! It's the truth. That's how it works in our democracy and has nothing to do with any desired outcome of mine. 3) More BS. It's again the truth. 4) Hatrick! It's my analysis. I gave reasoning, not just an opinion. Nemeses is the plural form of nemisis. It was spelt correctly.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Im not prejudice but if its not all about money why are all celebrities who try to push hmg into a corner about 'poor' peoples needs always after money and more of it. Look at the enhanced universal credit which is being cut back soon. There are millions more ordinary people who think as I do, who aren't celebrities! Why those people believe in fairness, inclusiveness and equality of opportunity has nothing at all to do with money. What you mention are but a small part of the picture, and much more symptoms than cures. Money won't achieve the desired result. Only changed attitudes can do that
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
" genuinely want to educate yourself ", what a supercilious cock you are Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps you "don't do sarcasm". Are you American or surrounded by them in HK? That might explain it.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Aug 21 1.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think the electorate "allowed" anything to happen. They had no say in the matter. It just happened. It's not just me that thinks that either. Our own security forces do. I have the greatest respect for genuine democratic outcomes! However, the Brexit referendum was not one. In our representative democracy, such a huge decision ought to have never been exposed to the winds of chance inherent in a referendum. Especially when called by Cameron, and Central Office, in the political interests of the Tory Party and not the country. No referendum in the UK should ever be regarded as binding, but only advisory, because we delegate decisions to our representatives. Those representatives, as a collective body, were firmly of the view that we should remain a member. Shameful yes that millions refused to accept a democratic vote backed up by 2 general elections, shameful that some MPs after the referendum stood on a public platform that supported Brexit and then tried to sabotage it and I don't mean Ken Clarke who was honest about his intentions.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 28 Aug 21 1.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think the electorate "allowed" anything to happen. They had no say in the matter. It just happened. It's not just me that thinks that either. Our own security forces do. I have the greatest respect for genuine democratic outcomes! However, the Brexit referendum was not one. In our representative democracy, such a huge decision ought to have never been exposed to the winds of chance inherent in a referendum. Especially when called by Cameron, and Central Office, in the political interests of the Tory Party and not the country. No referendum in the UK should ever be regarded as binding, but only advisory, because we delegate decisions to our representatives. Those representatives, as a collective body, were firmly of the view that we should remain a member. It was a shameful period in our long history, which future generations will come to view as the nemeses of the UK. We will not recover in my lifetime You and your friends lost, get over it! It was a democratic vote in which leave triumphed....instead of bleating about how unfair it was, why not make efforts to make it work, having left? Edited by the silurian (28 Aug 2021 1.18pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 21 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
You and your friends lost, get over it! It was a democratic vote in which leave triumphed....instead of bleating about how unfair it was, why not make efforts to make it work, having left? Edited by the silurian (28 Aug 2021 1.18pm)
I am not the least concerned about whether I lost, and as many of my friends disagree with me as agree, being the age group they are, I don't concern myself about them either. My concern is that the country lost, in so many ways. Claiming it was a "democratic" vote is the consistent mistake of most Brexiteers. It wasn't because referendums are not part of our system. The only thing that gave it legitimacy was when Parliament voted to accept it. Which, in my opinion, they ought never to have done, but is nevertheless their right.
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