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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Nov 22 12.41am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Here is a clip where presenter Ashley James gets upset sharing her experience of going through lockdown while pregnant and how she was 'pressured into having the vaccine. Apparently after it's been revealed that claims of lowering transmission weren't known but had been claimed for.

I'm told there is quite a lot of anger about this because of the many insults and threats made to those who decided against vaccinating for this particular virus. I remember being told several times that I was an anti vaxxer, even though I've taken several in my lifetime.....but apparently, according to some, if you don't take all of them that's all it needs.

I remember on here being told that the vaccine lowered the risk of transmission and being told off for doubting it. if it's true that people were lied to and made health decisions based on state given information that they trusted then that's pretty awful.

The 'nudge unit' and all that were involved in it would need to account for this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Nov 2022 12.45am)

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Nov 22 2.41am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Not sure where to start with this reply.
Many have been put up in hotels. Is there actual evidence they have been left at Victoria ( apart from charities say so?).
The reason I say this is, there are claims of no food, clean clothes, showers. This is totally fabricated, I have today spoken to some BF Officers who have been working on South Coast, so have somewhat more knowledge than most.
Here is a couple of examples of what they have had to endure:
Each arrival are given clean clothes and shoes. Many throw the clothes back as they are not designer:
All are given food on arrival, thrown back and pizzas demanded, which are supplied. All at tax payer expense.
You mention some are disappearing, that is correct but many run off as they get off the dinghies without attempting to claim “asylum “, happy to disappear.
Ideally all should be detained on arrival pending application consideration, never going to happen due to lack of space.
Many of the “children” are not minors.
You will probably say I am defending the Tories again, not at all, I just get fed up with the relevant facts not being reported and people believing what suits their agenda

Evidence? BBC and sky news- video evidence on the sky news!

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 04 Nov 22 5.59am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud


Evidence? BBC and sky news- video evidence on the sky news!

Crappy Proud - you are a fool. If you bothered to actually read other people's posts you would know that Spiderman was a member of Border Force until he recently retired and his wife still works there. Evidence? His own eyeballs perhaps

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 04 Nov 22 7.05am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Great by lord Rose on question time- the people who voted brexit are the same ones moaning they cant get hold of apples ! Also it was mentioned - cruella landing in a chinook on the visit to Marston- I saw that on the news and thought it a bit odd- are we at war with future doctors, nurses and fruitpickers?

I don’t eat apples. Never a shortage of apples in my local shops, loads grown in Kent! Who needs those awful French ones ? Question Time never been shown to be biased in an way shape or form.
I very much doubt there will be many, if any, doctors or nurses in Manston. Fruit pickers possibly.
However, all those occupations have a route to the UK called a visa, unless they have already unsuccessfully tried and failed or they have something else to hide. This my dear CP is a fact, and not something I picked up in the media

Edited by Spiderman (04 Nov 2022 7.16am)

Edited by Spiderman (04 Nov 2022 7.16am)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Nov 22 8.19am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Great by lord Rose on question time- the people who voted brexit are the same ones moaning they cant get hold of apples ! Also it was mentioned - cruella landing in a chinook on the visit to Marston- I saw that on the news and thought it a bit odd- are we at war with future doctors, nurses and fruitpickers?

Stuart Rose a failed businessman the man who was going to turn M&S around but didn't and yet walked away without anyone in the press holding him to account.

Hardly someone whose opinion is worth listening to.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Nov 22 9.42am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Here is a clip where presenter Ashley James gets upset sharing her experience of going through lockdown while pregnant and how she was 'pressured into having the vaccine. Apparently after it's been revealed that claims of lowering transmission weren't known but had been claimed for.

I'm told there is quite a lot of anger about this because of the many insults and threats made to those who decided against vaccinating for this particular virus. I remember being told several times that I was an anti vaxxer, even though I've taken several in my lifetime.....but apparently, according to some, if you don't take all of them that's all it needs.

I remember on here being told that the vaccine lowered the risk of transmission and being told off for doubting it. if it's true that people were lied to and made health decisions based on state given information that they trusted then that's pretty awful.

The 'nudge unit' and all that were involved in it would need to account for this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Nov 2022 12.45am)

As I have said on these pages many times, everything evolves. That includes our knowledge about new viruses, and the viruses themselves.

As the vaccines, when first developed, appeared to lower transmission, it was perfectly reasonable to tell people that. However, it was only one of several reasons why vaccination was, and still is, so important. The most critical of which is to lower the risk of severe disease and, as a consequence, reduce the pressure on the NHS, and thereby allow it to continue to do all the other things we rely upon it for.

As time went by, variants appeared and dominated, and our knowledge and experience increased. We learned that whilst the current vaccines did not protect so well against the spread of the variants, they did still protect against severe disease and deliver the benefit to our health service.

So being vaccinated has remained every bit as important as it always was. Now new vaccines have been developed specifically to handle the most prevalent of the variants. My recent booster was to protect against Omicron and administered at the same time I got a flu vaccine, designed to protect against the current flu virus.

So those who look for excuses to justify their behaviour need to go and look in a mirror instead. It won't wash! It's still as anti-social and irresponsible as it ever was.

Claiming that the excuse that was used in the early days (lack of transmission) justifies everything, when it justifies nothing at all, is like a blind dart player hitting the bullseye. It's pure chance. Those with eyes to see the whole board will always win the game.

Don't be selfish. Get vaccinated.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 Nov 22 10.19am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Crappy Proud - you are a fool. If you bothered to actually read other people's posts you would know that Spiderman was a member of Border Force until he recently retired and his wife still works there. Evidence? His own eyeballs perhaps

I'm going to struggle to read your posts henceforth ME without the voice of Ian McKellan as 'Gandalf' narrating in my head

Edit: 'Sir Ian McKellan'

Edited by Nicholas91 (04 Nov 2022 10.20am)

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Nov 22 4.09pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Crappy Proud - you are a fool. If you bothered to actually read other people's posts you would know that Spiderman was a member of Border Force until he recently retired and his wife still works there. Evidence? His own eyeballs perhaps

Shy news and the bbc video evidence= and my own mo philp apologising for the 2 loads dumped at victoria crappy midlands?

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Nov 22 4.10pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Crappy Proud - you are a fool. If you bothered to actually read other people's posts you would know that Spiderman was a member of Border Force until he recently retired and his wife still works there. Evidence? His own eyeballs perhaps

You are an IDIOT midlands- an IDIOT!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Nov 22 4.12pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I don’t eat apples. Never a shortage of apples in my local shops, loads grown in Kent! Who needs those awful French ones ? Question Time never been shown to be biased in an way shape or form.
I very much doubt there will be many, if any, doctors or nurses in Manston. Fruit pickers possibly.
However, all those occupations have a route to the UK called a visa, unless they have already unsuccessfully tried and failed or they have something else to hide. This my dear CP is a fact, and not something I picked up in the media

Edited by Spiderman (04 Nov 2022 7.16am)

Edited by Spiderman (04 Nov 2022 7.16am)

See Chris Philp, CONservative mp-apologising for the two groups being dumped at Victoria station spider?Watch sky, although that idiot thinks they are left wing!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Nov 22 4.17pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Stuart Rose a failed businessman the man who was going to turn M&S around but didn't and yet walked away without anyone in the press holding him to account.

Hardly someone whose opinion is worth listening to.

The Asda board obviously listen to him as he"s their chairman! I get it thou- everyone knows brexit has failed- and its hitting them in the pocket now-so they are bitter! Its never nice to have been had by the elites- Nigel and Jacob- but had you were!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Nov 22 4.22pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

The Asda board obviously listen to him as he"s their chairman! I get it thou- everyone knows brexit has failed- and its hitting them in the pocket now-so they are bitter! Its never nice to have been had by the elites- Nigel and Jacob- but had you were!

Before i get called a remoaner by the same adults who say wet spam ans sliverpool, i might add i dont want to go back in to the EU, i want al;l the brexiteers to have passports confiscated and leave more room on the beach for me! And im quite enjoying the chaos it has caused- people are gutted, they trusted the likes of Jacob who had an office in Dublin, but we voted leave- so suck it up! Just dont pretend it is working when anyone can see its been a disaster- maybe in 100 years it could prove great- but not in our life!

 

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