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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 23 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I never thought I would feel sorry for the BBC management but Samson is trying to pull down the temple. Lineker is a first class sh*t for putting the BBC in an untenable position they are dammed if they sanction him and dammed if they don't. He knew what he was doing and seems quite gleeful about it. The issue for me and I suspect the BBC has now moved on from Gary to who actually runs the BBC them or Gary and his football mates. The lunatics cannot be allowed to run the asylum. I suspect that the BBC will cave in which will only encourage the likes of me to demand an end to the licence fee, a pyrrhic victory for Gary and his chums. As for the argument that he is a freelancer this doesn't hold water ask HMRC they are currently in conflict with Gary and a few others over this. According to his supporters the BBC employs Gary's company not him well if that is true the why doesn't other employees of Gary's firm appear on MOTD? You call Pimlico Plumbers you don't get Gary Mullins you get whoever is available. Gary has worked for the BBC for around 20 years not as a stand in when someone is on holiday but as their key sports presenter he is a de facto BBC employee. Whatever happens here I think the BBC will come out of this badly and is yet another nail in their coffin all because he thinks his rights trumps everybody else. If you want free speech Gary join one of the other broadcasters who know doubt will be delighted to hear the political wisdom of a pampered ex footballer who happily takes money from dodgy regimes. May all be true. Hiding behind a company is a tactic used by many high earners and designed for them by specialist accountants. I know where some well known ex footballers keep their overseas earnings, well out of the hands of the HMRC. It's another issue though. This is only about whether someone working for the BBC in a sports capacity can be restrained from making comments on politics in their private time. I am not sure that any contract, however worded, would survive in court if it got that far.
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| inflikted 12 Mar 23 5.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Was this aimed at me? I have only just noticed it! If anyone ever proposed that we had "unlimited" immigration I don't think for a moment they would either be elected or, if in power, get it through parliament. We have controlled immigration and a problem with illegal immigration as well as refugees being trafficked. Honestly done trying to argue, there are no good faith actors here, just people desperately looking for a "gotcha" moment so they can parade about how they're right and the left are always wrong. There's no arguing with lost causes like that. Honesty, I thought Crystal Palace was one of the more liberal clubs due to the multicultural nature of South East London but its very hard right judging by this forum. Disgusting. And deeply disappointing.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Mar 23 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Only a total moron thinks this is about the subject of Lineker's tweets. This is about whether he can tweet them, or not. The government cannot be, and hopefully is not, involved. So you think that there would have been such a fuss if Lineker had tweeted about gardening? Don't be dumb. Politics and entertainment should not mix. There needs to be strict and unambiguous rules about what you can say on social media if you work in broadcast media entertainment. We all have opinions, and the fact that you happen to work on TV should not allow you to use that position to promote unqualified ideas. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Mar 2023 6.06pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 23 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
This could have been cleared up quite easily if Gary had stepped back and apologised for any offence he may have caused to those who are associated with the German’s actions during the 1930’s. But he didn’t. He has an air of smug superiority that he is always right and therefore no apology is due. Clarkson had the good grace to do so, as have several others who have inadvertently caused offence. But I think Gary designed his comments to be controversial; as such he should reap the ‘benefits’ of his words. Holding the views he does Lineker was never going to apologise to the hypocritical Braverman, especially when the offence was imaginary. She was the target and he hit it.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 12 Mar 23 5.45pm |
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Creeping right-wing authoritarianism is the order of the day not leftism at all. 13 years has led to this, and there just seems a casual acceptance, And needless cruelty and inhumanity some people never change.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Mar 23 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by inflikted
Honestly done trying to argue, there are no good faith actors here, just people desperately looking for a "gotcha" moment so they can parade about how they're right and the left are always wrong. There's no arguing with lost causes like that. Honesty, I thought Crystal Palace was one of the more liberal clubs due to the multicultural nature of South East London but its very hard right judging by this forum. Disgusting. And deeply disappointing. Go and post on the BBS. There are plenty of blinkered loons to agree with there. Truthfully, I'm sure you do already.
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| inflikted 12 Mar 23 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Go and post on the BBS. There are plenty of blinkered loons to agree with there. Truthfully, I'm sure you do already. I see you're back from your local Stormfront social to further prove my point. But I shouldn't bite and won't do so again.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Mar 23 5.49pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Creeping right-wing authoritarianism is the order of the day not leftism at all. 13 years has led to this, and there just seems a casual acceptance, And needless cruelty and inhumanity some people never change.
Or.... people are finally opening their eyes to the disaster this country has become because of mass immigration and ill-considered liberalisation. There is a limit to all things.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Mar 23 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by inflikted
I see you're back from your local Stormfront social to further prove my point. But I shouldn't bite and won't do so again. I've no idea what that is, and I couldn't care less what you do.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Mar 23 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Creeping right-wing authoritarianism is the order of the day not leftism at all. 13 years has led to this, and there just seems a casual acceptance, And needless cruelty and inhumanity some people never change.
I think most are agreed with you that France must be pretty bad if everyone's so desperate to leave.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 23 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
There is no such thing as absolute free speech and people like Lineker have to abide by his employer's terms and conditions of employment just as anyone wishing to post on HOL has to abide by their rules. Why should BBC employees be free to comment on whatever subject they wish when the same freedom is not granted to footballers and cricketers whilst they are playing I agree with both of these statements and have argued the same here for years. Others (you can guess who) fiercely disagree. The problem with the bit in the middle is we don't actually know if that's enforceable unless it was tested in court. Non-disclosure agreements have been held to be invalid and against the public interest. I see the potential for such contractual restrictions being ruled unlawful. Not everyone has the financial resource to challenge this. Lineker does.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 23 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you think that there would have been such a fuss if Lineker had tweeted about gardening? Don't be dumb. Politics and entertainment should not mix. There needs to be strict and unambiguous rules about what you can say on social media if you work in broadcast media entertainment. We all have opinions, and the fact that you happen to work on TV should not allow you to use that position to promote unqualified ideas. I have it on good authority that the BBC's Director General is an avid reader of this site and posts under a pseudonym. I have no doubt he is very grateful for your pearls of wisdom and will be giving them due consideration.
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