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inflikted 12 Nov 23 5.18pm
Originally posted by Matov At the very best, 'liberal' Muslim clerics make the argument that an apostate can be spared but only if they don't make a fuss about it and certainly don't try to persuade others. Essentially stop believing but don't tell anybody. Thats it. The most liberal and modern version. Do you agree with that? Or do you think people should be able to try and persuade others to denounce their faith? They actually argue that it is not for humans to punish anyone who loses their faith, that is something only Allah can do in the afterlife. The only problem comes from public disorder and blasphemy (which, need I remind you, is still a crime in many Christian countries such as Poland and Italy). Milkshakes Against Fascism
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12 Nov 23 5.18pm

Originally posted by Matov

At the very best, 'liberal' Muslim clerics make the argument that an apostate can be spared but only if they don't make a fuss about it and certainly don't try to persuade others. Essentially stop believing but don't tell anybody.

Thats it. The most liberal and modern version. Do you agree with that? Or do you think people should be able to try and persuade others to denounce their faith?

They actually argue that it is not for humans to punish anyone who loses their faith, that is something only Allah can do in the afterlife. The only problem comes from public disorder and blasphemy (which, need I remind you, is still a crime in many Christian countries such as Poland and Italy).

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 12 Nov 23 5.36pm
Originally posted by inflikted Their version of nationalism is different. Nationalism in the context of independence advocates is a desire for national recognition, compared to the nationalism of people likevthe EDL or MAGA is the belief that one's country is infallible and superior to all others - but only if they are in control. One of the annoying things about the language of politics is that terms have different meanings depending on context because different groups try to appropriate it for their own means. Look at libertarianism. In reality it is a far left ideology created by French philosopher Joseph Déjacque, as a branch of anarcho-communism. However, in the mid-20th century the American right started co-opting the term for themselves. So, Scottish nationalism is okay because it seeks to break its culture away from something, whereas the EDF is trying to defend English culture and that’s bad? hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by inflikted

Their version of nationalism is different. Nationalism in the context of independence advocates is a desire for national recognition, compared to the nationalism of people likevthe EDL or MAGA is the belief that one's country is infallible and superior to all others - but only if they are in control.

One of the annoying things about the language of politics is that terms have different meanings depending on context because different groups try to appropriate it for their own means. Look at libertarianism. In reality it is a far left ideology created by French philosopher Joseph Déjacque, as a branch of anarcho-communism. However, in the mid-20th century the American right started co-opting the term for themselves.

So, Scottish nationalism is okay because it seeks to break its culture away from something, whereas the EDF is trying to defend English culture and that’s bad?

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 12 Nov 23 5.49pm
Originally posted by Matov The move towards the Right in much of Europe is driven by different pressures to those here in the UK but all underpinned by the same utterly baffling hypocrisy of the Left continent-wide when it comes to Islam. By ANY kind of measure, then the Left should be diametrically opposed to any kind of growth in Muslim populations in the West. Islam is a belief system that in almost any and every conceivable way at odds with every tenet of Left wing ideology. Far, far more socially Conservative than any extreme 'far Right' Western ideology. And yet they champion them at the expense of the native population of Europe. Literal insanity that has no rational explanation. You ever heard of the Jizya ? it's a tax placed upon non-Muslims for the greater good and Welfare of Muslims. Something very familiar among the persecuted jews & christians of the Middle East & North Africa. Often referred to disparagingly as 'Kufirs'. You want a rational explanation ? is it Labour or the Tories that favour generous lifetime Welfare payments ? and who put a tax upon employed people to finance this ? [Link] Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Matov

The move towards the Right in much of Europe is driven by different pressures to those here in the UK but all underpinned by the same utterly baffling hypocrisy of the Left continent-wide when it comes to Islam.

By ANY kind of measure, then the Left should be diametrically opposed to any kind of growth in Muslim populations in the West. Islam is a belief system that in almost any and every conceivable way at odds with every tenet of Left wing ideology. Far, far more socially Conservative than any extreme 'far Right' Western ideology.

And yet they champion them at the expense of the native population of Europe. Literal insanity that has no rational explanation.

You ever heard of the Jizya ? it's a tax placed upon non-Muslims for the greater good and Welfare of Muslims. Something very familiar among the persecuted jews & christians of the Middle East & North Africa. Often referred to disparagingly as 'Kufirs'.

You want a rational explanation ? is it Labour or the Tories that favour generous lifetime Welfare payments ? and who put a tax upon employed people to finance this ?

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inflikted 12 Nov 23 5.53pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines So, Scottish nationalism is okay because it seeks to break its culture away from something, whereas the EDF is trying to defend English culture and that’s bad? No EDF is trying to provide affordable energy. Milkshakes Against Fascism
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12 Nov 23 5.53pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

So, Scottish nationalism is okay because it seeks to break its culture away from something, whereas the EDF is trying to defend English culture and that’s bad?

No EDF is trying to provide affordable energy.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Nov 23 6.00pm
Originally posted by inflikted No EDF is trying to provide affordable energy. Haha Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Nov 23 6.00pm

Originally posted by inflikted

No EDF is trying to provide affordable energy.

Haha

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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PalazioVecchio south pole 12 Nov 23 6.02pm
Originally posted by inflikted The Anti-Capitalist Muslims in Türkiye argue that the Qur'an actively advocate for socialism and equality and that right wing Muslim are deliberately misinterpreting it. Edited by inflikted (12 Nov 2023 4.37pm) what , like National-Socialism ? cos they were violently AntiSemitic & Homophobic too Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 12 Nov 23 6.02pm

Originally posted by inflikted

The Anti-Capitalist Muslims in Türkiye argue that the Qur'an actively advocate for socialism and equality and that right wing Muslim are deliberately misinterpreting it.

Edited by inflikted (12 Nov 2023 4.37pm)

what , like National-Socialism ? cos they were violently AntiSemitic & Homophobic too

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 12 Nov 23 6.02pm
Originally posted by inflikted No EDF is trying to provide affordable energy. Well spotted! This is what happens when I’m checking the meter readings for my EDF account whilst trying to write a question about the EDL!! hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Sussex 12 Nov 23 6.02pm

Originally posted by inflikted

No EDF is trying to provide affordable energy.

Well spotted! This is what happens when I’m checking the meter readings for my EDF account whilst trying to write a question about the EDL!!

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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inflikted 12 Nov 23 6.05pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio what , like National-Socialism ? cos they were violently AntiSemitic & Homophobic too Oh dear, found the person who thinks national socialism is socialism. Probably thinks the Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy too. Milkshakes Against Fascism
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12 Nov 23 6.05pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

what , like National-Socialism ? cos they were violently AntiSemitic & Homophobic too

Oh dear, found the person who thinks national socialism is socialism. Probably thinks the Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy too.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 12 Nov 23 6.15pm
Originally posted by inflikted . Only 1% of Kazakhs, a secular Muslim majority country, support the death penalty for apostasy. Edited by inflikted (12 Nov 2023 4.56pm) oh how enlightened and nice of them. So, that's only 190,000 fellas that want to chop your head off. and for your observations on the blasphemy laws in Christian Poland......how many heads did they chop off in the last 12 months ? 0 heads ? and how does that compare to Saudi Arabia ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 12 Nov 23 6.15pm

Originally posted by inflikted

. Only 1% of Kazakhs, a secular Muslim majority country, support the death penalty for apostasy.

Edited by inflikted (12 Nov 2023 4.56pm)

oh how enlightened and nice of them. So, that's only 190,000 fellas that want to chop your head off.

and for your observations on the blasphemy laws in Christian Poland......how many heads did they chop off in the last 12 months ? 0 heads ? and how does that compare to Saudi Arabia ?

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inflikted 12 Nov 23 6.22pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio oh how enlightened and nice of them. So, that's only 190,000 fellas that want to chop your head off. and for your observations on the blasphemy laws in Christian Poland......how many heads did they chop off in the last 12 months ? 0 heads ? and how does that compare to Saudi Arabia ? The difference is that while the wider Muslim population is steadily accepting modernism, secularism and liberalism, those in charge are still old men desperately trying to cling on to a bygone era. Sound familiar? Milkshakes Against Fascism
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12 Nov 23 6.22pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

oh how enlightened and nice of them. So, that's only 190,000 fellas that want to chop your head off.

and for your observations on the blasphemy laws in Christian Poland......how many heads did they chop off in the last 12 months ? 0 heads ? and how does that compare to Saudi Arabia ?

The difference is that while the wider Muslim population is steadily accepting modernism, secularism and liberalism, those in charge are still old men desperately trying to cling on to a bygone era. Sound familiar?

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PalazioVecchio south pole 12 Nov 23 6.27pm
Originally posted by inflikted Oh dear, found the person who thinks national socialism is socialism. Probably thinks the Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy too. says the fella who cannot see the irony in the term 'islamic Republic' [Link] Question : were the Nazi's genocidal toward the Jews ? and is your holy book also very AntiSemitic ? All printed on the pages in black and white ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (12 Nov 2023 6.36pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 12 Nov 23 6.27pm

Originally posted by inflikted

Oh dear, found the person who thinks national socialism is socialism. Probably thinks the Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy too.

says the fella who cannot see the irony in the term 'islamic Republic'

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Question : were the Nazi's genocidal toward the Jews ? and is your holy book also very AntiSemitic ? All printed on the pages in black and white ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (12 Nov 2023 6.36pm)

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inflikted 12 Nov 23 6.43pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio says the fella who cannot see the irony in the term 'islamic Republic' [Link] Question : were the Nazi's genocidal toward the Jews ? and is your holy book also very AntiSemitic ? All printed on the pages in black and white ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (12 Nov 2023 6.36pm) I don't have a holy book, I'm atheist. And Plato's Republic is very different to the modern definition of Republic, which is a country without a monarchy. Once again, showing how words and meanings change depending on context. A difficult concept to grasp I know but you'll get there one day. Milkshakes Against Fascism
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12 Nov 23 6.43pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

says the fella who cannot see the irony in the term 'islamic Republic'

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Question : were the Nazi's genocidal toward the Jews ? and is your holy book also very AntiSemitic ? All printed on the pages in black and white ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (12 Nov 2023 6.36pm)

I don't have a holy book, I'm atheist. And Plato's Republic is very different to the modern definition of Republic, which is a country without a monarchy. Once again, showing how words and meanings change depending on context. A difficult concept to grasp I know but you'll get there one day.

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