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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Aug 23 10.01am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Indeed, but not within a state that hates us.

Absolutely. And I suspect, us Anglo's are not the most popular visitors either (although I have no reason to doubt we would not be afforded a welcome).

But the wider ethos of cultural hegemony that underpins it, and how it is an incredible success story, is inspirational.

And it is not dependent on outside labour. That is the point. They clean their own streets. They do their own hard labour. The West is being destroyed by its effective economic slavery to cheap third-world labour. Plenty of people even on our own side have no desire to get their hands dirty and where our collective downfall is almost guaranteed at this stage.

But an Oriana model, on a much vaster scale, is perhaps the lifeboat out. Purely nothing more than a vague idea/notion but it is clear that what they are building in South Africa with it shows what can be done.

 


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who has more likelihood of peace, prosperity and an absence of political interference ?

a Jew in 1930s Germany ? or a white bloke in Orania today ?

In both cases, it may have made a lot of sense to re-locate to a less hostile environment. In both cases, its not very safe to walk the streets of the Capital and your Government is not your friend.

In both cases, the long-term prospects do not look encouraging.

The neighbourhood of Pompeii never saw the Volcano coming. The wealth and success of Orania could become its political downfall.


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Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Aug 2023 2.56pm)

 


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Originally posted by Matov

Absolutely. And I suspect, us Anglo's are not the most popular visitors either (although I have no reason to doubt we would not be afforded a welcome).

But the wider ethos of cultural hegemony that underpins it, and how it is an incredible success story, is inspirational.

And it is not dependent on outside labour. That is the point. They clean their own streets. They do their own hard labour. The West is being destroyed by its effective economic slavery to cheap third-world labour. Plenty of people even on our own side have no desire to get their hands dirty and where our collective downfall is almost guaranteed at this stage.

But an Oriana model, on a much vaster scale, is perhaps the lifeboat out. Purely nothing more than a vague idea/notion but it is clear that what they are building in South Africa with it shows what can be done.

Indeed sir.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

who has more likelihood of peace, prosperity and an absence of political interference ?

a Jew in 1930s Germany ? or a white bloke in Orania today ?

In both cases, it may have made a lot of sense to re-locate to a less hostile environment. In both cases, its not very safe to walk the streets and your Government is not your friend.

In both cases, the long-term prospects do not look encouraging.

The neighbourhood of Pompeii never saw the Volcano coming. The wealth and success of Orania could become its political downfall.


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That violence or economic censor/theft is coming to them is inevitable.....However, they will be well aware of that and by staying they took that decision. I imagine they won't go down that easily.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Aug 2023 2.55pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That violence or economic censor/theft is coming to them is inevitable.....However, they will be well aware of that and by staying they took that decision. I imagine they won't go down that easily.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Aug 2023 2.55pm)

barring the people of Orania having Nukes, i cannot see any other outcome. Outgunned and outnumbered 1,000 to 1.

my guess ? their only hope is to get some inside-help from some fairly hostile political parties. Or to hire such help. In history, stranger things have happened. But i certainly would not invest in Orania Real-Estate.

South Africa is headed in the same direction as many of the countries to its immediate North.

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

barring the people of Orania having Nukes, i cannot see any other outcome. Outgunned and outnumbered 1,000 to 1.

my guess ? their only hope is to get some inside-help from some fairly hostile political parties. Or to hire such help. In history, stranger things have happened. But i certainly would not invest in Orania Real-Estate.

South Africa is headed in the same direction as many of the countries to its immediate North.

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Something tells me that Gabriel won't be writing a song for Orania.

 


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maybe Orania already pays an enormous Kickback of protection money to Mr Big ?

in which case, who are the slaves tilling the soil in the midday sun ? and who are the Masters ? Masters living it large in the big house ?

commentators who discuss Economic Development in SA, they are deeply deluded. It would be easier to raise the Titanic.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

maybe Orania already pays an enormous Kickback of protection money to Mr Big ?

in which case, who are the slaves tilling the soil in the midday sun ? and who are the Masters ? Masters living it large in the big house ?

commentators who discuss Economic Development in SA, they are deeply deluded. It would be easier to raise the Titanic.

And getting there has proved a tad dangerous !

 

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

maybe Orania already pays an enormous Kickback of protection money to Mr Big ?

in which case, who are the slaves tilling the soil in the midday sun ? and who are the Masters ? Masters living it large in the big house ?

commentators who discuss Economic Development in SA, they are deeply deluded. It would be easier to raise the Titanic.

My understanding is that they operate within the frame-work of the South African consitution with other seperate African tribal communities also operating under on similar lines.

Will the Left allow them to thrive? Probably not but as things stand, they are perfectly within the legal frame-work of how South Africa works. And its important to understand that South Africa is a collection of different groups from across the spectrum. When you see the footage of the stadium with thousands of people chanting 'Kill the Boer' my understanding is that is a political movement that gets about 10% of the votes.

Attacking isolated farm-steads is a different proposition from taking on a force numbering potentially in its hundreds of trained and disciplined men intent on protecting their loved ones.

Do I think Oriana is probably destined for destruction? Then yes, purely because our enemies hate the very notion of what it is promoting but it will require the actual South African state to turn on them and I suspect the writing will be on the wall well in advance. And by that stage, the South African state might not even have the capacity to organise such an event.

I would actually say the biggest threat probably comes from Progressive movements in the West putting pressure on the SA Government to legislate against Oriana.

 


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And so it begins...

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One of my Meta-Predictions for the next 50 years is essentially a massive white flight to both Central and Eastern Europe. This project strikes me as the very first sign of how much of this could become politically driven.

 


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Originally posted by Matov


One of my Meta-Predictions for the next 50 years is essentially a massive white flight to both Central and Eastern Europe.

April 1939. It didn't end well.

 


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Julius Malema is the head of the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) political party in South Africa. He was the charming chap chanting “Shoot to kill, kill the Boer” in the video that Stirling posted on 31 July.

The EFF is the fastest growing party in SA and proclaims itself as Leninist-Marxist, wants to seize private property, nationalise the banks and mines and generally enforce total state control. You thought the ANC was corrupt and nuts enough, but the EFF makes them look like models of good government.

The ANC has of course been a disaster for South Africa, especially for ordinary black people who are worse off than they were under white rule. Wait until the EFF gets more power and they will go into full Zimbabwe mode.

Meanwhile the torture and murder of white families continues apace and is practically ignored in the SA media and completely ignored in our media. Imagine the outcry if a white political party was calling for what amounts to genocide against black people.

Can’t wait for Steeleye to post some moronic praise for these appalling racist thugs and for Wisbelch to pump out some stuff about nuance, cause and effect, reason etc in an attempt to mitigate their crimes - or perhaps he will just deny the crimes have happened as he has done in the past.

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