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JRW2 Dulwich 17 Jun 23 11.42am
Originally posted by georgenorman So they will suddenly lose their fecklessness and become responsible and industrious in a couple of generation - you seriously believe that? I don't believe fecklessness, irresponsibility and laziness on the part of the general population are the main reasons for SA's parlous state. Above all, it's corruption and greed on the part of the country's political leaders. But, whatever the cause, you may well be right in suggesting that it'll take more than two generations for the system to turn round. After all, the old system of exploitation and oppression had been in place for well over a century.
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Dulwich 17 Jun 23 11.42am

Originally posted by georgenorman

So they will suddenly lose their fecklessness and become responsible and industrious in a couple of generation - you seriously believe that?

I don't believe fecklessness, irresponsibility and laziness on the part of the general population are the main reasons for SA's parlous state. Above all, it's corruption and greed on the part of the country's political leaders. But, whatever the cause, you may well be right in suggesting that it'll take more than two generations for the system to turn round. After all, the old system of exploitation and oppression had been in place for well over a century.

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georgenorman 17 Jun 23 12.34pm
Originally posted by JRW2 I don't believe fecklessness, irresponsibility and laziness on the part of the general population are the main reasons for SA's parlous state. Above all, it's corruption and greed on the part of the country's political leaders. But, whatever the cause, you may well be right in suggesting that it'll take more than two generations for the system to turn round. After all, the old system of exploitation and oppression had been in place for well over a century. Apartheid was in place for less than 50 years, 1948-1994.
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17 Jun 23 12.34pm

Originally posted by JRW2

Apartheid was in place for less than 50 years, 1948-1994.

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JRW2 Dulwich 17 Jun 23 12.59pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Apartheid was in place for less than 50 years, 1948-1994. I know, but the South Africa Act of 1909 disenfranchised the non-white population and the 1913 Land Act forced them from their homes and land.
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Dulwich 17 Jun 23 12.59pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Apartheid was in place for less than 50 years, 1948-1994.

I know, but the South Africa Act of 1909 disenfranchised the non-white population and the 1913 Land Act forced them from their homes and land.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 17 Jun 23 1.23pm
Originally posted by JRW2 I don't believe fecklessness, irresponsibility and laziness on the part of the general population are the main reasons for SA's parlous state. Above all, it's corruption and greed on the part of the country's political leaders. But, whatever the cause, you may well be right in suggesting that it'll take more than two generations for the system to turn round. After all, the old system of exploitation and oppression had been in place for well over a century. there are ghettos full of poor black people in SA. And now also ghettos full of poor white people. so maybe you can blame government. Government can make people poor. But not rich. People make people rich. Just ask a Premier League player how much of his success came from the Government. what evidence or examples do you have to support the bold text above ? cos i seriously doubt it. In Africa, the poverty starts at the northernmost tip of Tunisia and runs the whole way down to the Cape. And from Senegal in the West to Tanzania in the East.....where is the African Luxembourg ? There is no Windsor nor Cheam in Africa. and never will be. Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Jun 2023 1.40pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by JRW2

I don't believe fecklessness, irresponsibility and laziness on the part of the general population are the main reasons for SA's parlous state.

Above all, it's corruption and greed on the part of the country's political leaders.

But, whatever the cause, you may well be right in suggesting that it'll take more than two generations for the system to turn round. After all, the old system of exploitation and oppression had been in place for well over a century.

there are ghettos full of poor black people in SA. And now also ghettos full of poor white people.

so maybe you can blame government. Government can make people poor. But not rich. People make people rich. Just ask a Premier League player how much of his success came from the Government.

what evidence or examples do you have to support the bold text above ? cos i seriously doubt it. In Africa, the poverty starts at the northernmost tip of Tunisia and runs the whole way down to the Cape. And from Senegal in the West to Tanzania in the East.....where is the African Luxembourg ?

There is no Windsor nor Cheam in Africa.

and never will be.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Jun 2023 1.40pm)

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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georgenorman 17 Jun 23 2.04pm
Originally posted by JRW2 I know, but the South Africa Act of 1909 disenfranchised the non-white population and the 1913 Land Act forced them from their homes and land. As with Zimbabwe, they were handed very developed countries, economies and industries and have manged to fritter away the legacy in record time, as well as forcing white farmers and others out of their homes and land.
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17 Jun 23 2.04pm

Originally posted by JRW2

I know, but the South Africa Act of 1909 disenfranchised the non-white population and the 1913 Land Act forced them from their homes and land.

As with Zimbabwe, they were handed very developed countries, economies and industries and have manged to fritter away the legacy in record time, as well as forcing white farmers and others out of their homes and land.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 17 Jun 23 2.10pm
Originally posted by georgenorman As with Zimbabwe, they were handed very developed countries, economies and industries and have manged to fritter away the legacy in record time, as well as forcing white farmers and others out of their homes and land. raped them, murdered them, mutilated them etc. Often those farmers had borrowed the money from the bank to buy such farms. So much for the Patriarchy and the white mans privilege. The Zimbabwe experience is now playing out in SA. The whole place headed back to the Stone Age in double quick-time. Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 17 Jun 23 2.10pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

As with Zimbabwe, they were handed very developed countries, economies and industries and have manged to fritter away the legacy in record time, as well as forcing white farmers and others out of their homes and land.

raped them, murdered them, mutilated them etc.

Often those farmers had borrowed the money from the bank to buy such farms. So much for the Patriarchy and the white mans privilege.

The Zimbabwe experience is now playing out in SA. The whole place headed back to the Stone Age in double quick-time.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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JRW2 Dulwich 17 Jun 23 3.08pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio there are ghettos full of poor black people in SA. And now also ghettos full of poor white people. so maybe you can blame government. Government can make people poor. But not rich. People make people rich. Just ask a Premier League player how much of his success came from the Government. what evidence or examples do you have to support the bold text above ? cos i seriously doubt it. In Africa, the poverty starts at the northernmost tip of Tunisia and runs the whole way down to the Cape. And from Senegal in the West to Tanzania in the East.....where is the African Luxembourg ? There is no Windsor nor Cheam in Africa. and never will be. Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Jun 2023 1.40pm) I obviously don't have any "evidence" for what may or may not happen in the future. Like you, I can only make surmises.
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Dulwich 17 Jun 23 3.08pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

there are ghettos full of poor black people in SA. And now also ghettos full of poor white people.

so maybe you can blame government. Government can make people poor. But not rich. People make people rich. Just ask a Premier League player how much of his success came from the Government.

what evidence or examples do you have to support the bold text above ? cos i seriously doubt it. In Africa, the poverty starts at the northernmost tip of Tunisia and runs the whole way down to the Cape. And from Senegal in the West to Tanzania in the East.....where is the African Luxembourg ?

There is no Windsor nor Cheam in Africa.

and never will be.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Jun 2023 1.40pm)

I obviously don't have any "evidence" for what may or may not happen in the future. Like you, I can only make surmises.

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Stirlingsays Online 17 Jun 23 3.29pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio raped them, murdered them, mutilated them etc. Often those farmers had borrowed the money from the bank to buy such farms. So much for the Patriarchy and the white mans privilege. The Zimbabwe experience is now playing out in SA. The whole place headed back to the Stone Age in double quick-time. And because they're white, none of the worthy virtue signalling crowd said a word. Their racism fetish means that if it were reversed they would have pulled a hamstring in their haste to protest. They are fully indoctrinated and their zealotry has no limit save actually suffering any negative consequences for themselves. Like a Democrat voting Californian complaining about his state who then moves to Florida and continues voting Democrat.....that type. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2023 3.30pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Jun 23 3.29pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

raped them, murdered them, mutilated them etc.

Often those farmers had borrowed the money from the bank to buy such farms. So much for the Patriarchy and the white mans privilege.

The Zimbabwe experience is now playing out in SA. The whole place headed back to the Stone Age in double quick-time.

And because they're white, none of the worthy virtue signalling crowd said a word. Their racism fetish means that if it were reversed they would have pulled a hamstring in their haste to protest.

They are fully indoctrinated and their zealotry has no limit save actually suffering any negative consequences for themselves.

Like a Democrat voting Californian complaining about his state who then moves to Florida and continues voting Democrat.....that type.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2023 3.30pm)

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cryrst Online The garden of England 17 Jun 23 4.50pm
Most of Africa went downhill when the British left. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. We can do that they said, clearly they can’t ! Took over the wheat farms, ate all the wheat with no clue how to actually farm. Took over the cattle farms and ate all the cattle , durgh you need cattle to breed cattle. Not a clue but let’s blame the white man. The irony is that the white man employed and trained the black man but those Choc ices were f***ed off or killed as well! Couldn’t make it up but we are to blame. Edited by cryrst (17 Jun 2023 4.54pm)
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The garden of England 17 Jun 23 4.50pm

Most of Africa went downhill when the British left. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy.
We can do that they said, clearly they can’t !
Took over the wheat farms, ate all the wheat with no clue how to actually farm.
Took over the cattle farms and ate all the cattle , durgh you need cattle to breed cattle.
Not a clue but let’s blame the white man.
The irony is that the white man employed and trained the black man but those
Choc ices were f***ed off or killed as well!
Couldn’t make it up but we are to blame.

Edited by cryrst (17 Jun 2023 4.54pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 17 Jun 23 5.01pm
Originally posted by cryrst Most of Africa went downhill when the British left. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. We can do that they said, clearly they can’t ! Took over the wheat farms, ate all the wheat with no clue how to actually farm. Took over the cattle farms and ate all the cattle , durgh you need cattle to breed cattle. Not a clue but let’s blame the white man. The irony is that the white man employed and trained the black man but those Choc ices were f***ed off or killed as well! Couldn’t make it up but we are to blame. Edited by cryrst (17 Jun 2023 4.54pm) yes. and some places were ok after the Brits left....Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, and what about places closer to home.....how did they fare after a ton of Brits left ? Newham, Thornton Heath, Luton etc ? were 1950's Johannesburg & West-Croydon a bit less stabby than today ? come back you Nigels, all is forgiven. Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Jun 2023 5.09pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 17 Jun 23 5.01pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Most of Africa went downhill when the British left. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy.
We can do that they said, clearly they can’t !
Took over the wheat farms, ate all the wheat with no clue how to actually farm.
Took over the cattle farms and ate all the cattle , durgh you need cattle to breed cattle.
Not a clue but let’s blame the white man.
The irony is that the white man employed and trained the black man but those
Choc ices were f***ed off or killed as well!
Couldn’t make it up but we are to blame.

Edited by cryrst (17 Jun 2023 4.54pm)

yes. and some places were ok after the Brits left....Hong Kong, Australia, Canada,

and what about places closer to home.....how did they fare after a ton of Brits left ? Newham, Thornton Heath, Luton etc ?

were 1950's Johannesburg & West-Croydon a bit less stabby than today ? come back you Nigels, all is forgiven.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Jun 2023 5.09pm)

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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Stirlingsays Online 17 Jun 23 5.16pm
Originally posted by cryrst Most of Africa went downhill when the British left. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. We can do that they said, clearly they can’t ! Took over the wheat farms, ate all the wheat with no clue how to actually farm. Took over the cattle farms and ate all the cattle , durgh you need cattle to breed cattle. Not a clue but let’s blame the white man. The irony is that the white man employed and trained the black man but those Choc ices were f***ed off or killed as well! Couldn’t make it up but we are to blame. Edited by cryrst (17 Jun 2023 4.54pm) That's the sum of it.....some things can't be fixed. However, I'm glad we are out of there (though the third world is being mass imported here). They should run themselves like everybody else. We knew all these inherent problems a hundred years ago. There was wisdom in the past that was far more realistic though it's demonised today....it's the lies of liberalism that ultimately end up worsening the lives of the most vulnerable by ignoring the realities of nature. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2023 5.16pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Jun 23 5.16pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Edited by cryrst (17 Jun 2023 4.54pm)

That's the sum of it.....some things can't be fixed. However, I'm glad we are out of there (though the third world is being mass imported here). They should run themselves like everybody else.

We knew all these inherent problems a hundred years ago. There was wisdom in the past that was far more realistic though it's demonised today....it's the lies of liberalism that ultimately end up worsening the lives of the most vulnerable by ignoring the realities of nature.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2023 5.16pm)

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Stirlingsays Online 17 Jun 23 5.18pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio yes. and some places were ok after the Brits left....Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, and what about places closer to home.....how did they fare after a ton of Brits left ? Newham, Thornton Heath, Luton etc ? were 1950's Johannesburg & West-Croydon a bit less stabby than today ? come back you Nigels, all is forgiven. Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Jun 2023 5.09pm) It's not hard to work out why is it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Jun 23 5.18pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

yes. and some places were ok after the Brits left....Hong Kong, Australia, Canada,

and what about places closer to home.....how did they fare after a ton of Brits left ? Newham, Thornton Heath, Luton etc ?

were 1950's Johannesburg & West-Croydon a bit less stabby than today ? come back you Nigels, all is forgiven.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Jun 2023 5.09pm)

It's not hard to work out why is it.

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