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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Jan 24 8.54pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

How on earth can a club the size of Bournemouth with a capacity of 13,000 spend 126million on players, this is ridiculous!

Bournemouth have had attendances of just over 11,000 this season.
Their owner Bill Foley came to the helm in December 2022.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 23 Jan 24 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Roy was called back from retirement by Parish because no ambitious manager wants to put his name on the line with the weak squad we have, plus the dysfunctional board all of whom seem to be in disagreement with Parish and want out. This results in no team investment, poor quality or aged players in key position, all of which Roy has made clear on multiple occasions telling Parish et.al what he wants, they seem to ignore him, they cannot walk the talk and whilst he remains in place little will change and Parish will happily go on picking up his pocket money bonus from the club,for as long as can get away with it!

 

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View Oddball2021's Profile Oddball2021 Flag Adelaide 25 Jan 24 6.44am Send a Private Message to Oddball2021 Add Oddball2021 as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Roy was called back from retirement by Parish because no ambitious manager wants to put his name on the line with the weak squad we have, plus the dysfunctional board all of whom seem to be in disagreement with Parish and want out. This results in no team investment, poor quality or aged players in key position, all of which Roy has made clear on multiple occasions telling Parish et.al what he wants, they seem to ignore him, they cannot walk the talk and whilst he remains in place little will change and Parish will happily go on picking up his pocket money bonus from the club,for as long as can get away with it!

Well said and I absolutely agree. Too many Palace supporters are like abused wives who refuse to acknowledge their partner's abuse. As long as she keeps accepting his BS he is enabled to continue doing what he always does: The sad Palace story of the last TEN YEARS.

 

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 25 Jan 24 9.07am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Two absolute no-brainer signings that we should have been all over.

Clubs like Bournemouth really do put us to shame at the moment - in terms of recruitment, managers and generally having a plan/identity, they are streets ahead of us.


People talking about their 'net spend', but they likely sell Solanke in the next 12 months for something north of £50m.

They will not lose money on Scott unless he breaks a leg, and will likely make a big profit there in a few years.

Senesi is now an Argentian international and they'll profit on him.

Zabarnyi is a big prospect.

We should be approaching it the same way - we know we are going to have north of £100m incoming over the next 12 months with likely sales of Olise, Guehi and/or Andersen - spend that money now, and ok our net spend might look bad for 12 months, but at least we're not absolutely crippled every time we lose a player.

Yep I agree. And as a result, their squad is 100% better than ours.

I think the bold bit is key, especially understanding how it fits into the 3 year cycle. Trying get players in early, bed them in and make sure they are ready to cover departures.

e.g. Buy Ronnie Edwards now for 10m , loan him back for the rest of the season. Sell Anderson in the summer for 30m.

It would also mean we can end our love with extending contracts of 'end of life players'. Luka, Jairo, Tomkins. How much money has been thrown after bad.

 

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View HesHereHesThere's Profile HesHereHesThere Flag Beckenham 25 Jan 24 9.08am Send a Private Message to HesHereHesThere Add HesHereHesThere as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Roy was called back from retirement by Parish because no ambitious manager wants to put his name on the line with the weak squad we have, plus the dysfunctional board all of whom seem to be in disagreement with Parish and want out. This results in no team investment, poor quality or aged players in key position, all of which Roy has made clear on multiple occasions telling Parish et.al what he wants, they seem to ignore him, they cannot walk the talk and whilst he remains in place little will change and Parish will happily go on picking up his pocket money bonus from the club,for as long as can get away with it!

100% - Its cab time for Parish, Freedman and the Board...one slight issue though is that they don't seem to be able to sell us to anyone, so we're a bit screwed really.

Roy though is responsible for the team and I'm sure they're as bored playing it as we are watching it, but he doesn't seem to ever have a plan B so its jog on time for him as well tbh.


 

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View Skip's Profile Skip Flag 25 Jan 24 10.55am Send a Private Message to Skip Add Skip as a friend

It seems everywhere I look there's blame with no accountability.

Yes I Roy for quite a bit of why we are where we are. I think he should have left after the Arsenal game, but that's purely because I don't want to see a 76 year old man who is struggling to keep up with things eventually get abused. He's reverted back to "Version Roy 2021". He oversees the coaching, picks the team and sets us up so needs to find another way to get the team winning and expressing themselves.

Parish has also got to take some responsibility but I don't agree he should walk away, or that he's lining his pockets as some have suggested. He's recently spent £11M on 3 pitches at the Academy training ground. He's made mistakes and needs to rectify them.

Why we spent £50M+ in the summer on 3 players who, when everybody is fit do not make Roy's starting eleven suggests to me that our Director of Football is signing players without the manager's approval. Stubborn old Roy looks like he's more interested in proving Dougie wrong by not playing Franca unless we are getting tonked, rather than slowly introduce him. We are nearly into February and we still don't know if he's good enough. Signing Henderson to replace Jack Butland for £20M was a curious decision. I don't think he's as good as Sam Johnstone, but I don't think there's an awful lot of difference between him and Jack Butland.

I don't think we move players on quick enough. It seems we'd rather keep the likes Tompkins, Ward, Rieldewald, Hughes and Schlupp. I know that replacing them would cost millions in transfer fees. Rewarding them all with contract extensions just smacks of laziness in recruitment, and a reluctance to see what our youngsters can do.

There has to be a plan that we stick to rather than settle for survival one season at a time. That has to come from the top. Investment in the Academy and spending all that money on pitches is great, but if the door into the first team squad is shut then there is very little point. If I was SP I would want Dougie and whoever the manager is going to be to work much closer on our transfer targets, and who we release from the deadwood pile.

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 25 Jan 24 11.06am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Yep I agree. And as a result, their squad is 100% better than ours.

I think the bold bit is key, especially understanding how it fits into the 3 year cycle. Trying get players in early, bed them in and make sure they are ready to cover departures.

e.g. Buy Ronnie Edwards now for 10m , loan him back for the rest of the season. Sell Anderson in the summer for 30m.

It would also mean we can end our love with extending contracts of 'end of life players'. Luka, Jairo, Tomkins. How much money has been thrown after bad.

I don’t know how any planned spend on the new stand would affect the three year cycle - I know the capital element is excluded not sure whether any interest payable on any borrowed funds would be a cost we have to take as a hit. And assuming reports are true that SP is still trying to raise the last chunk of investment for the stand, can’t see there would be any appetite for spending anything on new players atm, we’d have to make a sale first to generate the cash flow.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 25 Jan 24 1.28pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

There’s a saying along the lines that ‘second marriages are a triumph of hope over experience.’
I wonder if there’s an element of this in relation to Roy and the club.
The first marriage ended by mutual consent with both parties wanting to move on.
The club entered into a new relationship (with Vieira) that at first was exciting and showed potential , but it eventually ended in failure.
At this point the club felt nostalgic about the good old steady days with Roy and said why don’t we try again?
Roy agreed, and there was a brief honeymoon period at the end of last season which led to us formalising a new relationship with him, full of optimism about the future.
However, it wasn’t long before flaws in the relationship became evident again reminiscent of those that led to the initial break up.
Another case of the triumph of hope over experience?
Perhaps I’m overthinking it!

 

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View Davepalace707's Profile Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 25 Jan 24 1.32pm Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

There’s a saying along the lines that ‘second marriages are a triumph of hope over experience.’
I wonder if there’s an element of this in relation to Roy and the club.
The first marriage ended by mutual consent with both parties wanting to move on.
The club entered into a new relationship (with Vieira) that at first was exciting and showed potential , but it eventually ended in failure.
At this point the club felt nostalgic about the good old steady days with Roy and said why don’t we try again?
Roy agreed, and there was a brief honeymoon period at the end of last season which led to us formalising a new relationship with him, full of optimism about the future.
However, it wasn’t long before flaws in the relationship became evident again reminiscent of those that led to the initial break up.
Another case of the triumph of hope over experience?
Perhaps I’m overthinking it!

I agree. But stand by for alternative views….

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 25 Jan 24 5.30pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

More grist to the mill. Have to say, IMO the Standard aren't wrong with this article

[Link]

 

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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 25 Jan 24 8.45pm Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

More grist to the mill. Have to say, IMO the Standard aren't wrong with this article

[Link]

Sounds like he could be a fan. Nice to read something not full of errors.

 


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View kingdowieonthewall's Profile kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 25 Jan 24 8.50pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

More grist to the mill. Have to say, IMO the Standard aren't wrong with this article

[Link]

good.
thanks for link.

 


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Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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