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 Stirlingsays  22 Jun 17 7.02pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Just saying it how it is. Tough if you don't like the factuals.
Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2017 6.55pm) Don't talk to me about patriotism to my country Kermit. I actually have some. When I read that only sixty percent of people in England considered themselves English I knew how far gone we were. If you are so worried about the economic effects of Brexit leave.
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 becky over the moon 22 Jun 17 7.02pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
When have I slagged off business other than tax avoided / evaders? Standard bulls*** dressed up as argument response. I posted the link because I found it funny. Fancy moaning about no migrant workers after voting leave. Listened to James OBrien yesterday. Lots of skilled Europeans ringing in who have left or are leaving the UK. It won't just be fruit pickers we will be short of. What we can, and probably will do is issue seasonal worker work permits to those who want to come - just as we did before the EU. There was no shortage then, and as wages for this work are still better than they can get at 'home' (traditionally E. European countries), there probably won't be a shortage if this happens. As for the skilled Europeans leaving, well we can always start training some of our own school leavers a bit earlier, rather than demanding that they obtain at least a BA in Zen colouring.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 17 7.03pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Good. This wasn't done for economic reasons.....Hang on....I think perhaps I have to repeat that as it never seems to go in. Hardly anyone voted Brexit for economic reasons. Hello...are you receiving....over. Not for economic reasons? So all that money saved stuff in the campaign was ignored. I'm not sure how your post here responds to an exodus of skilled workers from many sectors.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by becky
What we can, and probably will do is issue seasonal worker work permits to those who want to come - just as we did before the EU. There was no shortage then, and as wages for this work are still better than they can get at 'home' (traditionally E. European countries), there probably won't be a shortage if this happens. As for the skilled Europeans leaving, well we can always start training some of our own school leavers a bit earlier, rather than demanding that they obtain at least a BA in Zen colouring. Sensible answers but.....It won't make difference to them. These are just side line excuses for them. I don't believe they really voted remain for these reasons.
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Kermit8  Hevon 22 Jun 17 7.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Good. This wasn't done for economic reasons.....Hang on....I think perhaps I have to repeat that as it never seems to go in. Hardly anyone voted Brexit for economic reasons. Hello...are you receiving....over. Makes you wonder why so much time was spent by Leave reassuring everyone that trade and the future economy would be absolutely fine, spiffing, if not even better once we Brexit'ed. But you are correct. It was about the...er..non-EU immigrant, mainly muslims and Africans. Just no one had the balls to say it apart from one man in the street being interviewed. Funny thing is , of course, is that migrant workforce gaps will be filled by having more non-EU migrants. See that 145,000 of them last year? Watch that swell to over 200,000 in 2020. You voted for it you stupendously daft lot Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2017 7.08pm)
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Not for economic reasons? So all that money saved stuff in the campaign was ignored. I'm not sure how your post here responds to an exodus of skilled workers from many sectors. During the campaign...the threats of economic downfall were non stop.....it was pretty much wall to wall from the 'remain' side....even had that toilet paper leafet come through my door. The remainers were constantly moaning about 'leave lies'. The public voted out anyway. I suspect the number who voted leave because of inflated figures on how much could go to the NHS were more than drowned out by people who would have voted leave but were scared into voting stay because of 'remain' lies......also a campaign that had little to do with ethics or honesty. I've answered you point about skilled workers many times in the past Nick.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 22 Jun 17 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It won't be getting picked at the same tonnage rate so they will have to import which means higher prices on the shelves of course. God Bless Brexit More than happy to pay a bit more for strawberries to get out of the capitalist, price-rigging cartel, African-farmer-damaging, French-farmer-enriching, EU.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 22 Jun 17 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Don't talk to me about patriotism to my country Kermit. I actually have some. When I read that only sixty percent of people in England considered themselves English I knew how far gone we were. If you are so worried about the economic effects of Brexit leave. Can't see that at all from you from where am I viewing. All I can see is excessive hubris, irrationality and a sense of some kind of revenge. If you cared about the country you wouldn't be party to the self-inflicted severe wounding and self-harming about to visit us.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 22 Jun 17 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Can't see that at all from you from where am I viewing. All I can see is excessive hubris, irrationality and a sense of some kind of revenge. If you cared about the country you wouldn't be party to the self-inflicted severe wounding and self-harming about to visit us. Says the champion of unfettered immigration and failed socialist 'economics'.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 22 Jun 17 7.23pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Says the champion of unfettered immigration and failed socialist 'economics'. See that? That's you, that is. Watch the non-EU immigration hit over 200,000 in a few years. All the extra muslims, other Asians and Africans who will now be able to come to the UK to fill in those gaps left by Europeans want to say in advance 'thank you' to all who voted Leave.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 17 7.26pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Says the champion of unfettered immigration and failed socialist 'economics'. I've got an issue with this 'the left want unlimited immigration ' line being trotted out. What is it based on exactly? The Labour Manifesto mentioned managed migration. That seems polar to unfettered. Are we talking about failed socialist economics in countries that have been crippled by sanctions or subject to externally driven coups. Or perhaps you are confusing Labour's social democracy outlook (which is successful in many places) with bulls*** in the media that has seeped osmosis like into yer noggin.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 7.28pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Can't see that at all from you from where am I viewing. All I can see is excessive hubris, irrationality and a sense of some kind of revenge. If you cared about the country you wouldn't be party to the self-inflicted severe wounding and self-harming about to visit us. Like the remain campaign those predictions are probably exaggerations. I always expected a hit...but around ten years after leaving we will be better than now.....which is better than most EU countries. Those who state that the UK won't reduce immigration are also talking BS. This country does not need an increase of 300, 000 people a year. The damage that people like you with your ignorant politics have done has been considerable. We have a country over-flowing with people with not the infrastructure for them. These were political decisions....at a time where 1.8 trillion in debt with an interest payment on our debt levels far in excess of our defence budget.
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