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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by pizzapat
Indeed you can and you have seen referees issue a 'Yellow' and making it perfectly well known that it was a result of persistent fouling.
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| pizzapat Caterham 19 Nov 17 8.23pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Indeed you can and you have seen referees issue a 'Yellow' and making it perfectly well known that it was a result of persistent fouling. so why no red yesterday? 26 fouls and only 3 yellow cards DOESNT add up? if 26 fouls isnt persistent infringement i dont know what is?
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by pizzapat
you cant blame the official for the foul count but you can blame him for not stopping it? Thats a great point, so Willo please enlighten everyone form your position of authority as to the reason why the ref didn't see fit to use his extensive range of powers to get the offending side to stop consistently fouling the opposition ? Surely you simply call the captain over and say another foul in the next five minutes and I'm booking who ever it is. 26 fouls....
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by pizzapat
so why no red yesterday? 26 fouls and only 3 yellow cards DOESNT add up? if 26 fouls isnt persistent infringement i dont know what is? The fouls were spread across a few team members and there is no specific number which constitutes "persistent infringement" by an individual player. Edited by Willo (19 Nov 2017 8.30pm)
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 8.28pm |
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Is it worth the club making a statement about the disappointment we feel in such high fouls against our team and a persevered lack of protection showed. Could that bring it to the next refs attention. 26 fouls is ridiculous. Thats one virtually every three minutes.... And the ref can't sort that out?
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
The fouls were spread across a few team members and there is no specific number which constitutes "persistent infingement" by an individual player. Is one foul every three minutes by someone on the opposing team not considered persistent ? If not then what is....
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Is one foul every three minutes by someone on the opposing team not considered persistent ? If not then what is.... Where do you get this stat from ?
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 8.37pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Where do you get this stat from ? Its simply the average... 90mins football match divided by 26 fouls committed. Equals one foul on average every 3.4 minutes. But again you are deflecting. Answer the question. Is a foul on average every 3 minutes by the opposing team persistent infringement. Yes or no...
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 8.41pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Its simply the average... 90mins football match divided by 26 fouls committed. Equals one foul on average every 3.4 minutes. But again you are deflecting. Answer the question. Is a foul on average every 3 minutes by the opposing team persistent infringement. Yes or no... A "Persistent infringent" caution is based at an individual player NOT a collective foul count across the team and there is no specific number that equates to it.
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| Goldfiinger Just down the road 19 Nov 17 8.43pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
A "Persistent infringent" caution is based at an individual player NOT a collective foul count across the team and there is no specific number that equates to it. So a foul every three minutes isn't persistent infringement as long as you rotate the fouler. Ok sounds fair. Ref had a blinding game then. Thanks,
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chateauferret  19 Nov 17 8.54pm |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
So a foul every three minutes isn't persistent infringement as long as you rotate the fouler. Ok sounds fair. Ref had a blinding game then. Thanks, I pointed out earlier that the definition of persistent infringement in Law 12 includes persistent infringement by a team. It deals with a situation where a team's players take it in turns to foul a single player (e.g. Wilf) and provides for the ref to card the fourth player to foul him in a short space of time even though the previous fouls were committed by other players. Have a look here in particular from post 17 onwards and the reference to David Elleray's advice.
'A "Persistent infringent" caution is based at an individual player NOT a collective foul count across the team and there is no specific number that equates to it.' ... he was talking bollocks. Incidentally one poster there points out that Messi has been subject to this treatment most of his career. Whom do we know that excels at the same thing as Messi - successful take-ons? Edited by chateauferret (19 Nov 2017 9.02pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
I pointed out earlier that the definition of persistent infringement in Law 12 includes persistent infringement by a team. It deals with a situation where a team's players take it in turns to foul a single player (e.g. Wilf) and provides for the ref to card the fourth player to foul him in a short space of time even though the previous fouls were committed by other players. Have a look here in particular from post 17 onwards and the reference to David Elleray's advice.
'A "Persistent infringent" caution is based at an individual player NOT a collective foul count across the team and there is no specific number that equates to it.' ... he was talking bollocks. Edited by chateauferret (19 Nov 2017 8.55pm) From the FA website : A player is cautioned if guilty of: delaying the restart of play Kindly note this refers to "A player" and NOT the team.
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