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cryrst The garden of England 04 Sep 19 5.49pm
How would no deal affect any of us. Really affect us. Yes you dont know. It's all guesses and what ifs and maybes. That is the long and short of it. I was a remainer but I think I've gone to the dark side with all this tossing around. Stirling you are my father
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The garden of England 04 Sep 19 5.49pm

How would no deal affect any of us.
Really affect us.
Yes you dont know.
It's all guesses and what ifs and maybes.
That is the long and short of it.
I was a remainer but I think I've gone to the dark side with all this tossing around.
Stirling you are my father

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Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 5.52pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle I think you are enjoying yourself, AND you are a bit disappointed. You are smart enough to know that Brexit wont affect burka's on your street corner too much, but xenophobia has many heads, Stirley. I think another election will induce a parliament so spectacularly hung, that it could be named Dion Dublin. Really Mainey, you and your regular displays of xenophilia.....perhaps you should be living in a more diverse state other than Maine, which is ninety percent white and hence European old boy. My thoughts on the nation's future has little to do with the EU....It's really more about a principle.....It's a battle for people like me to win....but ultimately, longer term I think the war is lost or in the balance....but that's also for the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 6.05pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Sep 19 5.52pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I think you are enjoying yourself, AND you are a bit disappointed.

You are smart enough to know that Brexit wont affect burka's on your street corner too much, but xenophobia has many heads, Stirley.

I think another election will induce a parliament so spectacularly hung, that it could be named Dion Dublin.

Really Mainey, you and your regular displays of xenophilia.....perhaps you should be living in a more diverse state other than Maine, which is ninety percent white and hence European old boy.

My thoughts on the nation's future has little to do with the EU....It's really more about a principle.....It's a battle for people like me to win....but ultimately, longer term I think the war is lost or in the balance....but that's also for the EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 6.05pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 04 Sep 19 5.54pm
Originally posted by cryrst How would no deal affect any of us. Really affect us. Yes you dont know. It's all guesses and what ifs and maybes. That is the long and short of it. I was a remainer but I think I've gone to the dark side with all this tossing around. Stirling you are my father Tips hat. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Sep 19 5.54pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Tips hat.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 6.49pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle There is no mandate for a no deal exit. Whine, deny and moan all you want about that irrefutable fact, but it cannot be denied. Post a link please as to where it said on the ballot paper Remain or leave (with a deal)..
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The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 6.49pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

There is no mandate for a no deal exit.

Whine, deny and moan all you want about that irrefutable fact, but it cannot be denied.

Post a link please as to where it said on the ballot paper Remain or leave (with a deal)..

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 6.54pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle The vote was flawed utterly. I feel truly sorry for you, Stirlingsays, as for you and many likeminded folks you saw Brexit as a wonderful and magical silver bullet which would return the UK to the golden times of the 1950s, removing foreigners and muslims from your streets and paving the pavements with gold unicorns. I genuinely feel sorry for you that you got your hopes up about the 2016 vote, but it was a piece of fools gold. The 2016 vote is not deliverable. There are enormous and wide ranging differences on HOW we leave the EU. There MUST be a mandate from the public about HOW to leave the EU. It might have helped that in 2016 there was a remote idea in anyone's head about what brexit really meant, but they simply didnt. Why?? Its obvious that you and others want Brexit cancelled, nothing less will do....So when the GE arrives and we dont like the fact that Corbyn and McDonnel are in charge can we scream for another GE as we dont like the result......17.4 million people are having their vote IGNORED....some democracy that is... and before anyone says it, I live in France so Brexit isnt good for us but the democratic vote was leave so I have to live with the result! Edited by the silurian (04 Sep 2019 6.56pm)
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The garden of England.(not really) 04 Sep 19 6.54pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

The vote was flawed utterly.

I feel truly sorry for you, Stirlingsays, as for you and many likeminded folks you saw Brexit as a wonderful and magical silver bullet which would return the UK to the golden times of the 1950s, removing foreigners and muslims from your streets and paving the pavements with gold unicorns.

I genuinely feel sorry for you that you got your hopes up about the 2016 vote, but it was a piece of fools gold.

The 2016 vote is not deliverable.

There are enormous and wide ranging differences on HOW we leave the EU.

There MUST be a mandate from the public about HOW to leave the EU.

It might have helped that in 2016 there was a remote idea in anyone's head about what brexit really meant, but they simply didnt.

Why?? Its obvious that you and others want Brexit cancelled, nothing less will do....So when the GE arrives and we dont like the fact that Corbyn and McDonnel are in charge can we scream for another GE as we dont like the result......17.4 million people are having their vote IGNORED....some democracy that is...

and before anyone says it, I live in France so Brexit isnt good for us but the democratic vote was leave so I have to live with the result!

Edited by the silurian (04 Sep 2019 6.56pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Sep 19 7.12pm
The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future. The most shameful days in Parliament's history.
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The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future.
The most shameful days in Parliament's history.

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jeeagles 04 Sep 19 8.04pm
Originally posted by cryrst How would no deal affect any of us. Really affect us. Yes you dont know. It's all guesses and what ifs and maybes. That is the long and short of it. I was a remainer but I think I've gone to the dark side with all this tossing around. Stirling you are my father The rhetoric is all wrong around a no-deal. It would mean we would have to sign up to WTO terms. We know what WTO terms are. We know the impact on the economy will be about £30Bn. We know May's deal will make us liable for £39Bn plus the wider impact on the economy. Also, like the backstop, a no-deal is only the fall back position! I was also a remainer, but see no way back, can we just get on with it and stop all this political posturing.
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04 Sep 19 8.04pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The rhetoric is all wrong around a no-deal. It would mean we would have to sign up to WTO terms. We know what WTO terms are. We know the impact on the economy will be about £30Bn. We know May's deal will make us liable for £39Bn plus the wider impact on the economy.
Also, like the backstop, a no-deal is only the fall back position!

I was also a remainer, but see no way back, can we just get on with it and stop all this political posturing.

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jeeagles 04 Sep 19 8.10pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future. The most shameful days in Parliament's history. He's said he's putting country before party by not trying to lead the country and crippling parliament instead... I probably wouldn't mind him so much if he was just a crazy activist and not the leader of the party with the biggest membership in the UK.
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04 Sep 19 8.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The scumbag Corbyn playing politics with the country's future.
The most shameful days in Parliament's history.

He's said he's putting country before party by not trying to lead the country and crippling parliament instead... I probably wouldn't mind him so much if he was just a crazy activist and not the leader of the party with the biggest membership in the UK.

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cryrst The garden of England 04 Sep 19 8.30pm
Originally posted by jeeagles The rhetoric is all wrong around a no-deal. It would mean we would have to sign up to WTO terms. We know what WTO terms are. We know the impact on the economy will be about £30Bn. We know May's deal will make us liable for £39Bn plus the wider impact on the economy. Also, like the backstop, a no-deal is only the fall back position! I was also a remainer, but see no way back, can we just get on with it and stop all this political posturing. No one in the whole world uses WTO terms. All individual deals between each other. Project fear is now the go to thought process. I actually think all this crap is doing more harm and creating division on the high street. Maybe it's what labour want by keeping on obstructing everything. Then they can say look what the Tories did,it wont happen with us.
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The garden of England 04 Sep 19 8.30pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

I was also a remainer, but see no way back, can we just get on with it and stop all this political posturing.

No one in the whole world uses WTO terms.
All individual deals between each other.
Project fear is now the go to thought process.
I actually think all this crap is doing more harm and creating division on the high street.
Maybe it's what labour want by keeping on obstructing everything.
Then they can say look what the Tories did,it wont happen with us.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 8.39pm
Originally posted by the silurian So why did Cameron give a referendum??? What was the point if the MPs are just gonna ignore the result ? I for one will NEVER vote again for anyone, what is the point? The referendum was entirely about internal Tory divisions. Divisions which continue to dominate British political life more than 3 years later. The majority of our MPs don't think that leaving was a wise choice but most accepted that their party had committed to respecting the result. What they don't accept is that the result meant whatever a PM says it meant. They argue, and I agree, that it's for Parliament to determine what the result meant. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 04 Sep 19 8.39pm

Originally posted by the silurian

So why did Cameron give a referendum??? What was the point if the MPs are just gonna ignore the result
? I for one will NEVER vote again for anyone, what is the point?

The referendum was entirely about internal Tory divisions. Divisions which continue to dominate British political life more than 3 years later. The majority of our MPs don't think that leaving was a wise choice but most accepted that their party had committed to respecting the result. What they don't accept is that the result meant whatever a PM says it meant. They argue, and I agree, that it's for Parliament to determine what the result meant.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 8.43pm
Classic example of how polarisation creates wilful obfuscation irrespective of fact. And these are supposed to be intelligent, reasoned individuals... Ian Dunt @IanDunt 2m [cash] Currently banging on about how the bill forces the UK to accept any extension date set by the EU. He challenges Hilary Benn to "get up and deny it if in fact what I've just read out, which is the text of the bill, is wrong". Ian Dunt @IanDunt 2m Benn gets up. Points out that if he reads below subsection 2, which he's just read out, if specifically gives parliament power to decide on an EU offer. Ian Dunt @IanDunt 1m "I don't think that's really an excuse," Cash says. Amazing. Ian Dunt @IanDunt 1m It's like trying to debate the Highway Code with a can of dog food. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 04 Sep 19 8.43pm

Classic example of how polarisation creates wilful obfuscation irrespective of fact. And these are supposed to be intelligent, reasoned individuals...

Ian Dunt
@IanDunt
2m
[cash] Currently banging on about how the bill forces the UK to accept any extension date set by the EU. He challenges Hilary Benn to "get up and deny it if in fact what I've just read out, which is the text of the bill, is wrong".

Ian Dunt
@IanDunt
2m
Benn gets up. Points out that if he reads below subsection 2, which he's just read out, if specifically gives parliament power to decide on an EU offer.

Ian Dunt
@IanDunt
1m
"I don't think that's really an excuse," Cash says. Amazing.

Ian Dunt
@IanDunt
1m
It's like trying to debate the Highway Code with a can of dog food.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Sep 19 8.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The referendum was entirely about internal Tory divisions. Divisions which continue to dominate British political life more than 3 years later. The majority of our MPs don't think that leaving was a wise choice but most accepted that their party had committed to respecting the result. What they don't accept is that the result meant whatever a PM says it meant. They argue, and I agree, that it's for Parliament to determine what the result meant. We voted to leave. This bill is yet another attempt by Remainers to avoid carrying out the will of the people. Sadly some useful idiots in the Tory party have helped them.
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Hrolf The Ganger

04 Sep 19 8.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The referendum was entirely about internal Tory divisions. Divisions which continue to dominate British political life more than 3 years later. The majority of our MPs don't think that leaving was a wise choice but most accepted that their party had committed to respecting the result. What they don't accept is that the result meant whatever a PM says it meant. They argue, and I agree, that it's for Parliament to determine what the result meant.

We voted to leave. This bill is yet another attempt by Remainers to avoid carrying out the will of the people.
Sadly some useful idiots in the Tory party have helped them.

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