Woman arrested for silent prayer, god save us
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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 30 Dec 22 8.42am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So let her stand there again until she approaches a woman entering the clinic and then we can all agree she needs arresting and the book thrown at her. This is really what is needed to prove this woman wasn’t there to pray this time or any time. She doesn’t need to approach to have committed an offence. She just needs to be there. That’s what the order prohibits and as she has done it repeatedly her presence is enough for the police to take action. She is deliberately provoking that action. Whether we understand it or not, if the authorities are satisfied that the mere presence of someone standing silently in the vicinity of an abortion clinic is sufficient to intimidate its users and make an order banning that, then banned it is.
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cryrst  The garden of England 30 Dec 22 8.56am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
She doesn’t need to approach to have committed an offence. She just needs to be there. That’s what the order prohibits and as she has done it repeatedly her presence is enough for the police to take action. She is deliberately provoking that action. Whether we understand it or not, if the authorities are satisfied that the mere presence of someone standing silently in the vicinity of an abortion clinic is sufficient to intimidate its users and make an order banning that, then banned it is. My point wissie is that does the physical action sadly needs to happen for people to understand she isn’t an innocent victim.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 30 Dec 22 8.58am |
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I would charge her with the offence of not only breaching the order, but also of deliberately wasting police time. We live in a society where people have rights , within the confines of the law. I would also have the arrested lady psychiatrically appraised, as there appears to be something inherently wrong with this type of behaviour where you seek to force your opinions on others (Mormons, take note)
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| georgenorman 30 Dec 22 9.10am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
As above, praying is banned in this area. The lady said she may be praying. She was playing games with the Police Officer in order to get arrested. I have no doubt she would have stood there day after day until the Police were forced to deal with a complaint against her. It IS intimidating to have someone silently standing in your path. Especially if you are a 20 to 24 year old girl who is already feeling dreadfully guilty She was not standing in anyone's path. She was standing against a hedge leaving plenty of room on the pavement. As Becky has already said, the majority of women using the clinics are over 30. It is a massive generalisation to say they are all feeling dreadful/guilty - some pro-abortion organisations 'celebrate' it.
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| georgenorman 30 Dec 22 9.14am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
She doesn’t need to approach to have committed an offence. She just needs to be there. That’s what the order prohibits and as she has done it repeatedly her presence is enough for the police to take action. She is deliberately provoking that action. Whether we understand it or not, if the authorities are satisfied that the mere presence of someone standing silently in the vicinity of an abortion clinic is sufficient to intimidate its users and make an order banning that, then banned it is. She was not committing an offence by physically being there. Her offence was deemed to be possibly silently praying. The content of the alleged praying is not even taken into account. I would urge everyone of good will to contribute to her defence fund.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Dec 22 9.24am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
My point wissie is that does the physical action sadly needs to happen for people to understand she isn’t an innocent victim. For someone deliberately making political gestures they won’t do anything physical. They want people to believe they are being victimised. It’s sad to see people falling for it.
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| Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 9.33am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
She was not committing an offence by physically being there. Her offence was deemed to be possibly silently praying. The content of the alleged praying is not even taken into account. I would urge everyone of good will to contribute to her defence fund. Snort! I don’t agree with WE. The final arrest was a stitch up engineered between this lady and her supporters and she won’t be found guilty. I assume she will be guilty as charged on each of the earlier occasions and will then use the last occasion to scream about unfairness. Note The Daily Express take on this: Twitter was forced to correct a false claim made by a right-wing US commentator that an anti-abortionist was arrested for "silent praying" in Birmingham.
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| Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 9.38am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
She was not standing in anyone's path. She was standing against a hedge leaving plenty of room on the pavement. As Becky has already said, the majority of women using the clinics are over 30. It is a massive generalisation to say they are all feeling dreadful/guilty - some pro-abortion organisations 'celebrate' it. The pavement, or path as it is known, along which people walk to the clinic. Not, for example, on the other side of the road. I didn’t say she blocked their path. But she sure as hell could not be overlooked, she was there to make her silent, maleficent, presence known.
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| georgenorman 30 Dec 22 9.46am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
The pavement, or path as it is known, along which people walk to the clinic. Not, for example, on the other side of the road. I didn’t say she blocked their path. But she sure as hell could not be overlooked, she was there to make her silent, maleficent, presence known. You said "It IS intimidating to have someone silently standing in your path".
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| Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 9.56am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You said "It IS intimidating to have someone silently standing in your path". Yes I did. I didn’t say blocking.
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| georgenorman 30 Dec 22 9.57am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yes I did. I didn’t say blocking. "standing in your path" is of course a form of "blocking".
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| Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 22 11.09am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
"standing in your path" is of course a form of "blocking". OK, I think it better that you describe how it would feel for a young woman walking down the pavement on which Isabel is standing. Walking past, possibly brushing past, someone half standing in the bushes, partially hidden until you come close, staring and clearly with some mantra going around and around in her head. Saying nothing. I tell you what, there is only one way to sort this out. Let's each write a poem entitled my day out at the Robert Clinic. We have to use a bit of imagination. Best poem wins the award. Edited by Mapletree (30 Dec 2022 11.09am)
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