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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Dec 22 5.20pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Good comments except this part which is risible. This lady has spent 20 years hanging about outside abortion clinics and had already been arrested and convicted for breach at this site 4 times. She is fully aware that there is a Council imposed buffer zone around this clinic (following detailed consultation). At the moment there is no law in place but that is coming shortly because of the actions of these kinds of people. And as stated, this is not a thought crime, she just set up a copper to make it look like it was. It was a clear breach of a Council's Public Spaces Protection Order if you look at the scope of the consultation documents.

To give an insight, here is a young woman telling her story:

She worried throughout the 12 hours she spent on the ward. “All I could think about was the fact I’d have to go past them again. It gave me a sinking feeling in my stomach.” One of the protesters tried to hand her then-partner a leaflet when he went to get some fresh air. “It was a feeling of surveillance,” she says, “like they were keeping tabs on who was going in and out of the clinic. It felt very calculated and intentional.”

I was not aware of previous arrests this woman had at these sites nor was I aware of a multiple decade history of this. If this is, and I am presuming is, indeed true, then there is more to it than just arresting somebody for a perceived protest and 'praying silently in her head'. I think to describe my concerns over a person being arrested, in a public space, for praying silently as 'risible' is unfair and deliberately provocative.

Again, I feel I have made clear my grievance with regards to the policing and therefore my comments. I also do not hold much value for how people 'feel' when it comes to enforcement of the law. Yes, I can empathise with those expressing hurt and therefore condemn individuals such as this woman for such actions, but that should have very little impact on the application of law. There's plenty in the world that makes me uncomfortable and unhappy but I have to accept other's rights, if not their thoughts and actions. I had to visit a relative dying of cancer not so long ago, I didn't call for the arrest of everybody standing outside having a fag.

Finally, and once again, if somebody is arrested 'on the spot' for praying silently in their head, that does constitute a very worrying, authoritarian, dystopian view of the world. If this individual has been previously warned, has a long old history of such action, was well known to and was dealt with appropriately by the Police then that is something else.

Quite frankly, if I was asked as to whether or not I'd prefer very limited Police resources to be spent on catching burglars, drug dealers, fraudsters etc etc or on some lone nut bothering people with her mere presence at an abortion clinic, I'd choose the former.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 29 Dec 22 5.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Who are my guys? Why do you say I am Left, albeit I know that Genghis Khan was left in comparison to you and your HOL cronies? What makes you think the Left is more corrupt than the Right anyway? Have you not been paying attention to what has been going on in Parliament? And as for being in the pocket of Corporations (a US term), you are absolutely controlled by huge vested interest in the USA as are your Republican idols.

For information, there are 8 types of companies in the UK: public limited company (PLC); private company limited by shares (LTD); company limited by guarantee; unlimited company (UNLTD); Limited Liability Partnership (LLP); Community Interest Company; Industrial and Provident Society (IPS) and finally, Royal Charter (RC). Not a single Corporation in sight.

No one is my 'crony' on Hol, I can't help it that your 'hollyweird' type politics feels under siege on Hol....anyway how can you go on about cronies, when you were panting over your 'granite shoreline'? Anyway, It's hardly as though your type of politics is under catered for elsewhere is it.

Well, ok if I were going to better define you I'd say you're a champagne neo liberal with 'progressive' traits with an obsessional love of pedantry.....as we see with your rather quaint annoyance with me using 'corporations'.....which is fine as a general description by the way.

I don't know that I would say that the left is more corrupt than the right, I suspect it's even, but as the left is in control of the corporations and institutions most of the corruption is coming from them.

Republican idols? Well, I like DeSantis somewhat, but the GOP is mostly a dumpster fire....to use an American phrase you no doubt deplore.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 5.31pm)

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Dec 22 6.20pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No one is my 'crony' on Hol, I can't help it that your 'hollyweird' type politics feels under siege on Hol....anyway how can you go on about cronies, when you were panting over your 'granite shoreline'? Anyway, It's hardly as though your type of politics is under catered for elsewhere is it.

Well, ok if I were going to better define you I'd say you're a champagne neo liberal with 'progressive' traits with an obsessional love of pedantry.....as we see with your rather quaint annoyance with me using 'corporations'.....which is fine as a general description by the way.

I don't know that I would say that the left is more corrupt than the right, I suspect it's even, but as the left is in control of the corporations and institutions most of the corruption is coming from them.

Republican idols? Well, I like DeSantis somewhat, but the GOP is mostly a dumpster fire....to use an American phrase you no doubt deplore.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 5.31pm)

I am not pedantic. By the way, the norm is three dots...

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Dec 22 6.22pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I was not aware of previous arrests this woman had at these sites nor was I aware of a multiple decade history of this. If this is, and I am presuming is, indeed true, then there is more to it than just arresting somebody for a perceived protest and 'praying silently in her head'. I think to describe my concerns over a person being arrested, in a public space, for praying silently as 'risible' is unfair and deliberately provocative.

Again, I feel I have made clear my grievance with regards to the policing and therefore my comments. I also do not hold much value for how people 'feel' when it comes to enforcement of the law. Yes, I can empathise with those expressing hurt and therefore condemn individuals such as this woman for such actions, but that should have very little impact on the application of law. There's plenty in the world that makes me uncomfortable and unhappy but I have to accept other's rights, if not their thoughts and actions. I had to visit a relative dying of cancer not so long ago, I didn't call for the arrest of everybody standing outside having a fag.

Finally, and once again, if somebody is arrested 'on the spot' for praying silently in their head, that does constitute a very worrying, authoritarian, dystopian view of the world. If this individual has been previously warned, has a long old history of such action, was well known to and was dealt with appropriately by the Police then that is something else.

Quite frankly, if I was asked as to whether or not I'd prefer very limited Police resources to be spent on catching burglars, drug dealers, fraudsters etc etc or on some lone nut bothering people with her mere presence at an abortion clinic, I'd choose the former.

I called risible the concept that you have a quiet word with a woman that has already been convicted four times for the self same offence. That is neither unfair nor provocative. It is a shame you post as if with authority when you haven't looked into the basics of the case in question.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Dec 22 6.25pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I called risible the concept that you have a quiet word with a woman that has already been convicted four times for the self same offence. That is neither unfair nor provocative. It is a shame you post as if with authority when you haven't looked into the basics of the case in question.

What should the sentence be? She could be facing two years.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 29 Dec 22 6.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am not pedantic. By the way, the norm is three dots...

Rebel me.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Dec 22 6.37pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

What should the sentence be? She could be facing two years.

Do I look like a Magistrate?

What on Earth makes you think she could be facing two years?

PSPOs put conditions or restrictions on an area which apply to everyone. They can be enforced by the police, council enforcement officers or any other authorised officers.

Councils can issue a fine of £100 to anyone who breaches the PSPO. If they do not pay the fine they can take further action with a maximum fine of £1000.

I am sure that Washington DC will be happy to pay on each occasion.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Dec 22 6.42pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No one is my 'crony' on Hol, I can't help it that your 'hollyweird' type politics feels under siege on Hol....anyway how can you go on about cronies, when you were panting over your 'granite shoreline'? Anyway, It's hardly as though your type of politics is under catered for elsewhere is it.

Well, ok if I were going to better define you I'd say you're a champagne neo liberal with 'progressive' traits with an obsessional love of pedantry.....as we see with your rather quaint annoyance with me using 'corporations'.....which is fine as a general description by the way.

I don't know that I would say that the left is more corrupt than the right, I suspect it's even, but as the left is in control of the corporations and institutions most of the corruption is coming from them.

Republican idols? Well, I like DeSantis somewhat, but the GOP is mostly a dumpster fire....to use an American phrase you no doubt deplore.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 5.31pm)

I don't pant over anyone other than the missus. I did, of course, enjoy the way WE kept knocking you back with a straight bat. Amusement at your expense I assure you.

In UK politics, they don't come any more corrupt than the right wing of the Conservative party. If you can't see that then maybe you should stop ejaculating over Tucker Carlson and start reading the papers.

Show me where it is appropriate to use 'Corporations' for any UK company.

I had a bottle of 1990 Krug for Christmas lunch by the way.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

What should the sentence be? She could be facing two years.

As this will be a modern witch trial, perhaps her guilt as to whether she was silently praying could be determined by the traditional trial by water. If she sinks to the bottom she is innocent, if she floats she is guilty. Then they could proceed to burning her at a stake. That should be a deterrent to any other people in the vicinity of a clinic whose thoughts might involve God.

Edited by georgenorman (29 Dec 2022 6.48pm)

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Dec 22 6.56pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Do I look like a Magistrate?

What on Earth makes you think she could be facing two years?

PSPOs put conditions or restrictions on an area which apply to everyone. They can be enforced by the police, council enforcement officers or any other authorised officers.

Councils can issue a fine of £100 to anyone who breaches the PSPO. If they do not pay the fine they can take further action with a maximum fine of £1000.

I am sure that Washington DC will be happy to pay on each occasion.

I don't know if you look like a magistrate.
The two year figure was quoted by the Catholic News Agency. They might be lying but I think they disapprove of lying.
The question was what the sentence should be for such a serial offender.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

I don't pant over anyone other than the missus. I did, of course, enjoy the way WE kept knocking you back with a straight bat. Amusement at your expense I assure you.

Sounds like panting to me....If you're going to WE fanboy you should really get a tissue and wipe your mouth it's unsightly....you get bonus points if you do it whilst sitting at a gay nudist beach.

Originally posted by Mapletree

In UK politics, they don't come any more corrupt than the right wing of the Conservative party. If you can't see that then maybe you should stop ejaculating over Tucker Carlson and start reading the papers.

Is this political poornhub or something?

Originally posted by Mapletree

Show me where it is appropriate to use 'Corporations' for any UK company.

I can't be bothered, besides I wasn't even being UK specific.

Originally posted by Mapletree

I had a bottle of 1990 Krug for Christmas lunch by the way.

You posho.....I had eggnog.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2022 7.51pm)

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 29 Dec 22 7.52pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I called risible the concept that you have a quiet word with a woman that has already been convicted four times for the self same offence. That is neither unfair nor provocative. It is a shame you post as if with authority when you haven't looked into the basics of the case in question.


That still doesn’t justify the arrest in any instance. But still, I have happily stated my giving you the benefit of the doubt in it being true and reevaluated my stance on the whole thing. Yet again you lead with a personal attack however so here;

I post as I feel others should, within the context of a discussion. I try to keep an open mind, put forward my thoughts on discussion topics and happily debate or explore where necessary. I’m happy to strongly assert my opinion but also to concede when appropriate, something others including yourself never, ever do. I also often post very light heartedly or with crap jokes, you know, it’s a palace fans’ forum. I usually take most things, within reason, for granted as truth no matter the source when it is posted on a fans’ forum. If this is proved incorrect I’m really not that fussed, says something about the source and not my laid back approach to such things.

If you wanted a definition of the word ‘risible’ it is your accusation of another poster’s intention to contribute ‘with authority’. You’ve done nothing, from my experience, but try to patronise, attack and denigrate others.

As I have mentioned numerous times previously, and recently, the act of actively seeking, to the extent of fabricating an enemy, as you did with me, to try and assert an imagined cognitive authority, is often the very weak sign of a failure. My thoughts were on the policing of this matter but in your hysteria to defend those seeking to abort their children you started harping on about ‘Muslims’ which had not been previously mentioned, not by me at least, alongside attacking a narrative I hadn’t provided.

This demonstrates at best that you did not read what I had written, or at worst you were desperately seeking opposition to ‘hate’ upon. I would suggest you look inwards for your anger if you are looking to resolve this situation,” and not become dramatic with others on the internet, safely hidden behind a screen.

So you carry on picking virtual verbals on the internet, if it makes you feel as though you achieved something, or a big man etc. which I would suggest is in lieu of that reflecting in reality. I tried to be fair and reasoned but I may as well converse with the cat given your responses.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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