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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 04 Oct 23 11.08pm
Blimey…. They’ll be legalising cannabis next, except what will you smoke it with? And they will lose a s*** load of tax income. If people want to smoke themselves to death it’s their lookout. Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 04 Oct 23 11.08pm

Blimey…. They’ll be legalising cannabis next, except what will you smoke it with?
And they will lose a s*** load of tax income.
If people want to smoke themselves to death it’s their lookout.

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Stirlingsays 04 Oct 23 11.44pm
Originally posted by kevlee Blimey…. They’ll be legalising cannabis next, except what will you smoke it with? And they will lose a s*** load of tax income. If people want to smoke themselves to death it’s their lookout. Agreed. Sunak though is probably a 'here today gone next year' politician and I'm not sure how much what he says now carries much weight. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Oct 23 11.44pm

Originally posted by kevlee

Blimey…. They’ll be legalising cannabis next, except what will you smoke it with?
And they will lose a s*** load of tax income.
If people want to smoke themselves to death it’s their lookout.

Agreed.

Sunak though is probably a 'here today gone next year' politician and I'm not sure how much what he says now carries much weight.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 04 Oct 23 11.54pm
A study quoted in the BMJ We studied mortality, paid income and tobacco taxes, and the cumulative costs due to pensions and medical care among tobacco smoking and non-smoking individuals in a 27-year prospective cohort study of 1976 men from Eastern Finland. These individuals were 54–60 years old at the beginning of the follow-up Smoking was associated with a greater mean annual healthcare cost of €1600 per living individual during follow-up. However, due to a shorter lifespan of 8.6 years, smokers’ mean total healthcare costs during the entire study period were actually €4700 lower than for non-smokers. For the same reason, each smoker missed 7.3 years (€126 850) of pension. Overall, smokers’ average net contribution to the public finance balance was €133 800 greater per individual compared with non-smokers. However, if each lost quality adjusted life year is considered to be worth €22 200, the net effect is reversed to be €70 200 (€71.600 when adjusted with propensity score) per individual in favour of non-smoking. My sister died suddenly two months ago from lung and stomach cancer due to smoking. I wish she had lived the extra 8.6 years. Edited by Mapletree (04 Oct 2023 11.55pm)
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A study quoted in the BMJ

We studied mortality, paid income and tobacco taxes, and the cumulative costs due to pensions and medical care among tobacco smoking and non-smoking individuals in a 27-year prospective cohort study of 1976 men from Eastern Finland. These individuals were 54–60 years old at the beginning of the follow-up

Smoking was associated with a greater mean annual healthcare cost of €1600 per living individual during follow-up. However, due to a shorter lifespan of 8.6 years, smokers’ mean total healthcare costs during the entire study period were actually €4700 lower than for non-smokers. For the same reason, each smoker missed 7.3 years (€126 850) of pension. Overall, smokers’ average net contribution to the public finance balance was €133 800 greater per individual compared with non-smokers. However, if each lost quality adjusted life year is considered to be worth €22 200, the net effect is reversed to be €70 200 (€71.600 when adjusted with propensity score) per individual in favour of non-smoking.

My sister died suddenly two months ago from lung and stomach cancer due to smoking. I wish she had lived the extra 8.6 years.

Edited by Mapletree (04 Oct 2023 11.55pm)

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 05 Oct 23 1.12am
Originally posted by Mapletree A study quoted in the BMJ We studied mortality, paid income and tobacco taxes, and the cumulative costs due to pensions and medical care among tobacco smoking and non-smoking individuals in a 27-year prospective cohort study of 1976 men from Eastern Finland. These individuals were 54–60 years old at the beginning of the follow-up Smoking was associated with a greater mean annual healthcare cost of €1600 per living individual during follow-up. However, due to a shorter lifespan of 8.6 years, smokers’ mean total healthcare costs during the entire study period were actually €4700 lower than for non-smokers. For the same reason, each smoker missed 7.3 years (€126 850) of pension. Overall, smokers’ average net contribution to the public finance balance was €133 800 greater per individual compared with non-smokers. However, if each lost quality adjusted life year is considered to be worth €22 200, the net effect is reversed to be €70 200 (€71.600 when adjusted with propensity score) per individual in favour of non-smoking. My sister died suddenly two months ago from lung and stomach cancer due to smoking. I wish she had lived the extra 8.6 years. Edited by Mapletree (04 Oct 2023 11.55pm) Condolences about your sister, that's bad luck. However, Sunak, like yourself haven't thought it through. The theory is good, but it is a doomed project. Smoking is almost always started under the age of 18. Raising the minimum age merely makes it more appealing to the young. As it stands, underage smokers generally get to smoke government approved cigarettes/tobacco. Once the ability to do that is removed, the black market will fill the void, with the associated reduction of regulations. I am an ex-smoker and cannot stand to be near somebody smoking or in a room where smokers have been. Especially on rainy days. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Originally posted by Mapletree

A study quoted in the BMJ

My sister died suddenly two months ago from lung and stomach cancer due to smoking. I wish she had lived the extra 8.6 years.

Edited by Mapletree (04 Oct 2023 11.55pm)

Condolences about your sister, that's bad luck.

However, Sunak, like yourself haven't thought it through. The theory is good, but it is a doomed project. Smoking is almost always started under the age of 18. Raising the minimum age merely makes it more appealing to the young. As it stands, underage smokers generally get to smoke government approved cigarettes/tobacco. Once the ability to do that is removed, the black market will fill the void, with the associated reduction of regulations.

I am an ex-smoker and cannot stand to be near somebody smoking or in a room where smokers have been. Especially on rainy days.

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Stirlingsays 05 Oct 23 5.09am
Originally posted by Mapletree A study quoted in the BMJ We studied mortality, paid income and tobacco taxes, and the cumulative costs due to pensions and medical care among tobacco smoking and non-smoking individuals in a 27-year prospective cohort study of 1976 men from Eastern Finland. These individuals were 54–60 years old at the beginning of the follow-up Smoking was associated with a greater mean annual healthcare cost of €1600 per living individual during follow-up. However, due to a shorter lifespan of 8.6 years, smokers’ mean total healthcare costs during the entire study period were actually €4700 lower than for non-smokers. For the same reason, each smoker missed 7.3 years (€126 850) of pension. Overall, smokers’ average net contribution to the public finance balance was €133 800 greater per individual compared with non-smokers. However, if each lost quality adjusted life year is considered to be worth €22 200, the net effect is reversed to be €70 200 (€71.600 when adjusted with propensity score) per individual in favour of non-smoking. My sister died suddenly two months ago from lung and stomach cancer due to smoking. I wish she had lived the extra 8.6 years. Edited by Mapletree (04 Oct 2023 11.55pm) Condolences on your sister.....family is important. As for questions like these surely It's a question of personal freedoms. I very much support the state promoting healthy lifestyles which would be anti smoking, alcohol, anti hallucinogenic drugs and so on.....I'd also have the state promoting that children don't believe nonsense like they are cats, two spirit dolphins or a different sex. But banning. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2023 5.10am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Oct 23 5.09am

Originally posted by Mapletree

A study quoted in the BMJ

My sister died suddenly two months ago from lung and stomach cancer due to smoking. I wish she had lived the extra 8.6 years.

Edited by Mapletree (04 Oct 2023 11.55pm)

Condolences on your sister.....family is important.

As for questions like these surely It's a question of personal freedoms.

I very much support the state promoting healthy lifestyles which would be anti smoking, alcohol, anti hallucinogenic drugs and so on.....I'd also have the state promoting that children don't believe nonsense like they are cats, two spirit dolphins or a different sex.

But banning.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Oct 2023 5.10am)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Oct 23 7.44am
I've always thought it would be a matter of time. I smoke but very few. Probably not even five a day. I should give up but still get the cravings. Going to the pub is the issue - I might smoke ten - twenty then. I've always said make it too expensive. It's not banned then. Make it 40-50 a packet. And give free alternatives. I've noticed a massive reduction in "real" smokers anyway. Obviously, some dead - as happens, others given up. But vaping - that looks here to stay. More should be researched about that. I doubt it's that harmless but wouldn't know. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Oct 23 7.44am

I've always thought it would be a matter of time. I smoke but very few. Probably not even five a day. I should give up but still get the cravings. Going to the pub is the issue - I might smoke ten - twenty then.
I've always said make it too expensive. It's not banned then. Make it 40-50 a packet. And give free alternatives. I've noticed a massive reduction in "real" smokers anyway. Obviously, some dead - as happens, others given up.
But vaping - that looks here to stay. More should be researched about that. I doubt it's that harmless but wouldn't know.

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eaglesdare 05 Oct 23 8.29am
Surely a reduction in smoking is only a good thing? Saving lives, pressure off the NHS and all that...
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05 Oct 23 8.29am

Surely a reduction in smoking is only a good thing? Saving lives, pressure off the NHS and all that...

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cryrst The garden of England 05 Oct 23 8.43am
Originally posted by eaglesdare Surely a reduction in smoking is only a good thing? Saving lives, pressure off the NHS and all that... Maybe external situations are overloading the NHS. Not smokers. If this smoker numbers have reduced then NHS. Admissions have as well.
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Originally posted by eaglesdare

Surely a reduction in smoking is only a good thing? Saving lives, pressure off the NHS and all that...

Maybe external situations are overloading the NHS. Not smokers. If this smoker numbers have reduced then NHS. Admissions have as well.

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YT Oxford 05 Oct 23 8.46am
The proposal as I understand it is completely unworkable and - in practical terms - unenforceable. I suspect it will be unlawful too. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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The proposal as I understand it is completely unworkable and - in practical terms - unenforceable. I suspect it will be unlawful too.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 05 Oct 23 9.09am
in the US, the corporate Lobbies have successfully skewed political policy to be miles away from public opinion. One of the biggest examples being the Tobacco industry. what they did not figure on was a little faraway country instituting a Smoking Ban which then mushroomed across much of the Western World. Ireland was first with the ban, and thereafter came the domino effect. i agree with Russell Crow, in that whistleblower movie......tobacco companies deliberately make their product extremely addictive. Tobacco has caused almost as many premature deaths as Religion. You can argue about the free rights of druggies, or smokers to do as they please. "Its a free country". Fair enough. But i see them as victims of street dealers or corporate hooers, respectively. Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Oct 2023 9.14am) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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in the US, the corporate Lobbies have successfully skewed political policy to be miles away from public opinion. One of the biggest examples being the Tobacco industry.

what they did not figure on was a little faraway country instituting a Smoking Ban which then mushroomed across much of the Western World. Ireland was first with the ban, and thereafter came the domino effect.

i agree with Russell Crow, in that whistleblower movie......tobacco companies deliberately make their product extremely addictive.

Tobacco has caused almost as many premature deaths as Religion.

You can argue about the free rights of druggies, or smokers to do as they please. "Its a free country". Fair enough. But i see them as victims of street dealers or corporate hooers, respectively.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Oct 2023 9.14am)

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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steeleye20 Croydon 05 Oct 23 9.13am
Really that just about sums up what the tories have left to offer. Millions of smokers asylum seekers benefit claimants etc. Smoking has been dying out for years, to our great benefit. It doesn't need banning. People are not listening anymore.
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Croydon 05 Oct 23 9.13am