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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Sep 22 10.20am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Isn't that what the national broadcaster is supposed to do? It isn't political. Its job is to reflect opinion and not direct it.

Thus, when I say "reflected the mood of the nation", it's doing what it is supposed to do and, in my opinion, always does do.

That some don't like it is inevitable, but so long as they come from both sides of politics, as they do, then they are getting things broadly right. It's just that you don't get the left posting here, so you don't get to read their bitching.

Yes I agree to a certain extent, perhaps I misread or jumped to a predetermined conclusion of your intention.

My point would be that, let's call it a 'woke culture' is the order of the day and therefore the BBC seeks to pander to this audience and that is the essence of the gripe. Typically, the result of that will be commentary such as 'they should just report the news' which again I do agree with. Therefore, my point was that whilst still pandering to what is deemed to be an appetite, or expectance of 'left-leaning wokery', they will also of course report and provide coverage of an historic and 'headline' worthy event.

I think the nature of the comments on here are disgruntlement on the media alignment with the current sociopolitical landscape, which the BBC can then be seen to be endorsing/promoting, as opposed to it's stance on neutrality, which the BBC clearly is not. Furthermore my initial reply was based solely on the fact I do not acknowledge any correlation between politically motivated reporting and that of an historic event. They'll of course seek to incorporate both into their activities somewhat irrespective of one another.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 15 Sep 22 12.00pm

The incessant coverage of every aspect of the Queen's demise have led some to rename the BBC 'MournHub'.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 22 12.42pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

The incessant coverage of every aspect of the Queen's demise have led some to rename the BBC 'MournHub'.

I worried that we would see a period of repetitive tributes and self indulgent stories of personal encounters, such as we have seen in the past.

I think though that the coverage has been fresh and captured the mood perfectly. It’s a huge event. We are living through, and part of history and the BBC is our window through which the world views us. I think they have done supremely well.

 


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puncheon_judy Flag 15 Sep 22 12.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Isn't that what the national broadcaster is supposed to do? It isn't political. Its job is to reflect opinion and not direct it.

Thus, when I say "reflected the mood of the nation", it's doing what it is supposed to do and, in my opinion, always does do.

That some don't like it is inevitable, but so long as they come from both sides of politics, as they do, then they are getting things broadly right. It's just that you don't get the left posting here, so you don't get to read their bitching.

Spot on.

It's a fantastic institution. The only problem is that it has become a punch bag for the vocal minority.

The BBC is an amazing British export, that is still seen as the gold standard of television by commissioners around the world.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 22 1.23pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yes I agree to a certain extent, perhaps I misread or jumped to a predetermined conclusion of your intention.

My point would be that, let's call it a 'woke culture' is the order of the day and therefore the BBC seeks to pander to this audience and that is the essence of the gripe. Typically, the result of that will be commentary such as 'they should just report the news' which again I do agree with. Therefore, my point was that whilst still pandering to what is deemed to be an appetite, or expectance of 'left-leaning wokery', they will also of course report and provide coverage of an historic and 'headline' worthy event.

I think the nature of the comments on here are disgruntlement on the media alignment with the current sociopolitical landscape, which the BBC can then be seen to be endorsing/promoting,as opposed to it's stance on neutrality, which the BBC clearly is not. Furthermore my initial reply was based solely on the fact I do not acknowledge any correlation between politically motivated reporting and that of an historic event. They'll of course seek to incorporate both into their activities somewhat irrespective of one another.

The BBC don't though either endorse or promote anything. They report it. It is just that some see that reporting as endorsement and support. With regard to the BBC "clearly" not being neutral, this is just untrue. It is simply a biased opinion of both the right and the left, both of whom feel the BBC supports the other.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Sep 2022 1.24pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Sep 22 1.28pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Orrrr....

The BBC is primarily concerned with aligning to whatever the current zeitgeist is.

The order of the day has been the death of our longest reigning monarch, naturally. Soon it will return to liberal gibberish and nonsense.

I admire your efforts however.


Tbf the BBC never holds back on pomp and ceremony broadcasting significant royal family events. They never really give much of a platform to republicans.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Sep 22 1.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The BBC don't though either endorse or promote anything. They report it. It is just that some see that reporting as endorsement and support. With regard to the BBC "clearly" not being neutral, this is just untrue. It is simply a biased opinion of both the right and the left, both of whom feel the BBC supports the other.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Sep 2022 1.24pm)

Yes I see the validity in that stance.

Perhaps then it is the far more sensitivity of one side to make note of the other's coverage and deem this to be more than their own? Equally, it could be either side suggesting that the other does not deserve coverage and therefore any amounts to endorsement.

From my perspective, there is a lot on the BBC that I would not deem as 'news' or at the very least 'newsworthy' as it seems to be a ringing endorsement of what I deem to be sociopolitical conditioning. See above however for my openness to the fact that this may be incorrect although I am yet willing to concede it is.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Sep 22 1.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The BBC don't though either endorse or promote anything. They report it. It is just that some see that reporting as endorsement and support. With regard to the BBC "clearly" not being neutral, this is just untrue. It is simply a biased opinion of both the right and the left, both of whom feel the BBC supports the other.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Sep 2022 1.24pm)

Haven't noticed any difference between the coverage on the BBC and that on Sky.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 22 2.09pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Tbf the BBC never holds back on pomp and ceremony broadcasting significant royal family events. They never really give much of a platform to republicans.

Why would they hold back? You have only to see the way people have responded this week to realise how close to their hearts this is. A lesser Royal than the Queen would not receive anything like the same coverage.

I don't know what % of us are truly republicans, but I suspect it is a tiny minority. Indifference, perhaps. Concerned about costs, probably, but wanting our constitutional monarchy replaced? I don't see it myself. So I am unsurprised they aren't given a platform.

What Charles will do remains to be seen, and that could alter the balance somewhat.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 15 Sep 22 2.21pm

The BBC is like The Times. "Pro" whatever happens to be the establishment of the day. In its case it has to be because of Charter.

It is also annoyingly woke/zeitgeist due to its (and Ch 4's) regulatory link to the Equality Act.

I accept that the journos are probably all lefties. Then again, a mate writes for the Mail on Sunday and I happen to know he always votes Labour. He says that all journos are lefties; it is only the owners and a few leader writers who are on the right.

All the while, the BBC seeks to steer a middle path of neutrality notwithstanding the pulls in all directions and the hate and allegation of partiality largely coming from BOTH ends of the political spectrum.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Sep 22 2.31pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why would they hold back? You have only to see the way people have responded this week to realise how close to their hearts this is. A lesser Royal than the Queen would not receive anything like the same coverage.

I don't know what % of us are truly republicans, but I suspect it is a tiny minority. Indifference, perhaps. Concerned about costs, probably, but wanting our constitutional monarchy replaced? I don't see it myself. So I am unsurprised they aren't given a platform.

What Charles will do remains to be seen, and that could alter the balance somewhat.

I agree with you WE. I think there's a bit of general cynicism involved as well.
I have two good friends who are old-style Union men who don't understand all the coverage. Or claim not to anyway.
I'm seeing them tomorrow for a drink and imagine we'll stick to music and football for most of the conversation.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 15 Sep 22 2.35pm

I was quite amazed to see this article on the BBC.

If I'm being cynical I would say it's not critical of DeSantis purely because of the establishment vendetta against Trump.

[Link]

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 15 Sep 22 5.02pm

watching all the crowds doing the public Mourning on the BBC. It seems to be giving me a very warped & twisted view of reality.

not great on the journalistic integrity there. Does Gary Lineker control all the cameras from a central computer ?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Sep 22 8.55pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I was quite amazed to see this article on the BBC.

If I'm being cynical I would say it's not critical of DeSantis purely because of the establishment vendetta against Trump.

[Link]

Why the amazement?

It's true, and it's newsworthy. Playing politics with people is very much of public interest. When a likely candidate for President attempts to be even more outrageous than Trump, it is going to get covered.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Sep 22 11.36pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why the amazement?

It's true, and it's newsworthy. Playing politics with people is very much of public interest. When a likely candidate for President attempts to be even more outrageous than Trump, it is going to get covered.

My amazement is in the main that they didn't try to be negative as they always are with Trump and I suggested why.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2022 11.36pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Sep 22 11.37pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

watching all the crowds doing the public Mourning on the BBC. It seems to be giving me a very warped & twisted view of reality.

not great on the journalistic integrity there. Does Gary Lineker control all the cameras from a central computer ?

He controls it from a box, which was all he was ever good in.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 22 1.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

My amazement is in the main that they didn't try to be negative as they always are with Trump and I suggested why.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2022 11.36pm)

Maybe because it wasn't about Trump!!

It was about the transport of migrants and the role DeSantis played in arranging it.

Trump was only mentioned once, in a quote from DeSantis, and not at all by the BBC.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 16 Sep 22 4.01pm

Originally posted by silvertop

All the while, the BBC seeks to steer a middle path of neutrality

In the early days of covid the Prime Minister flanked by a couple of health experts gave a media briefing every night. The BBC have both a health editor and medical editor but chose to send their political editor to the briefings. Why, if not to stir things up?

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Sep 22 4.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I wonder how the many BBC haters here react to the way they have handled the last 7 days?

I think it has been nothing short of magnificent, showing respect and sensitivity in equal measure. It has reflected the mood of the nation perfectly and shown, to me at least, why the BBC is something we all ought to be proud of.

The coverage of yesterday’s ceremony, the live streaming of Westminster Hall, and the interviews with those paying their respects shows us all at our best.

The constant bitching on these pages that the UK is somehow a lesser place than it used to be, along with the nonsense that the BBC is biased, has been comprehensively shown to be totally misplaced.

I don't hate the BBC I just don't like being forced to pay for it. As for their coverage they are the state broadcaster is anyone surprised?

I haven't watched any of it but I will take your word it has been good I would expect no less. I am sure the other broadcasters are well aware that the beeb will hoover up the ratings so have tailored their efforts accordingly.

It's no different to the World Cup if you don't have the rights it's silly to try and compete you might as well go in another direction e.g. put on a Romcom for the football widows.

I have never said that the BBC cannot put on a good show, after all unlike the other channels they have massive financial resources from a captive audience. All of this adds up to a great advert for them and they are clearly taking advantage of it.

Just because they have put on blanket coverage of a global event that still doesn't justify the compulsion of the license fee.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 17 Sep 22 7.15am

I always prefer the beeb at times like this but ITV have trumped them this time with far better coverage.
Sad but true.
Defund the BBC!!!

 

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