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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Jul 18 11.45am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Because the EU are weasel bullies who want it all their way, always.

netherlands, denmark, ireland .... all voted anti-europe...and got overturned or ignored.

The game is now up for the EU, it has lost all credibility and is seen for the anti-democratic bully that it is.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Jul 18 11.54am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

I think the voting criteria was wrong.
It was totally different to a general election.
My view on the whole thing was such that the age group should have been 16-80.
Only being that if at 16 you can work and pay taxes then you damn well should have a shot to choose your future.
The high end of 80 was that a lot of people over that age potentially either:
1) won't be affected or realise they're affected.
2) Will be dead by the time changes happen.(see above)
3) Potentially were brow beaten in to how to vote.

What a shambles it could turn out to be.
I stress could but in reality I think it's going to go well south and there will be much soul searching as you are looking at your kids and kids kids thinking, " why didn't I put real thought into if it really was as bad as I convinced myself it was"

 
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cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Jul 18 11.56am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

netherlands, denmark, ireland .... all voted anti-europe...and got overturned or ignored.

The game is now up for the EU, it has lost all credibility and is seen for the anti-democratic bully that it is.

All the more reason to stay in and make the changes to get it to work as it should. Not take your ball home.

 
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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 28 Jul 18 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

All the more reason to stay in and make the changes to get it to work as it should. Not take your ball home.

The EU is incapable of reform from within. That's one of the main reasons why we voted to leave.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Jul 18 12.12pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I think the voting criteria was wrong.
It was totally different to a general election.
My view on the whole thing was such that the age group should have been 16-80.
Only being that if at 16 you can work and pay taxes then you damn well should have a shot to choose your future.
The high end of 80 was that a lot of people over that age potentially either:
1) won't be affected or realise they're affected.
2) Will be dead by the time changes happen.(see above)
3) Potentially were brow beaten in to how to vote.

What a shambles it could turn out to be.
I stress could but in reality I think it's going to go well south and there will be much soul searching as you are looking at your kids and kids kids thinking, " why didn't I put real thought into if it really was as bad as I convinced myself it was"

so you are saying that children who watch StarWars should get a vote , and adults who fought in the War shouldn't ?

if people do not get to vote on something because 'they will be dead when the repercussions happen'

..... then you will not mind if i put a nuclear re-processing plant into your back garden ? presuming you have already left the womb, then all the birth defects will not get you directly ?

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Jul 18 12.16pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

All the more reason to stay in and make the changes to get it to work as it should. Not take your ball home.

this is a divorce. Now please respect our decision, give us respect and stop making a fool of yourself.


the fact we debate the opinions of a BBC Social justice warrior is a testament to how much spare time we all seem to have on our hands.

And in other news, the Chelsea Garden show had loads of Petunia's this year.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (28 Jul 2018 12.23pm)

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Jul 18 12.52pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

so you are saying that children who watch StarWars should get a vote , and adults who fought in the War shouldn't ?

if people do not get to vote on something because 'they will be dead when the repercussions happen'

..... then you will not mind if i put a nuclear re-processing plant into your back garden ? presuming you have already left the womb, then all the birth defects will not get you directly ?

I watch star wars and that has what to do with age.
And I don't really mind about that plant as it will be safe.
Adults who fought in the war are nearly all dead or not with it so no they shouldn't or couldn't.
I'm stating that if you pay tax you should have been able to vote in the referendum.
The result would have been different. Is that why it was a good idea not to allow it then.

 
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cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Jul 18 12.58pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

this is a divorce. Now please respect our decision, give us respect and stop making a fool of yourself.


the fact we debate the opinions of a BBC Social justice warrior is a testament to how much spare time we all seem to have on our hands.

And in other news, the Chelsea Garden show had loads of Petunia's this year.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (28 Jul 2018 12.23pm)

I have never disrespected the decision.
I don't agree with it but I have to respect it as in a democracy in which we live it is normal to.
Sorry you lost me on the social warrior bit.
I would personally take the next hangmans job for low life scum who deserve death for crimes.
Aside of that yes the petunias were lively this year. I watched for the whole week and amazing what these talents can do with the small spaces they're are given.
Bit like brain cells in a head really!

 
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becky Flag over the moon 28 Jul 18 3.09pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I think the voting criteria was wrong.
It was totally different to a general election.
My view on the whole thing was such that the age group should have been 16-80.
Only being that if at 16 you can work and pay taxes then you damn well should have a shot to choose your future.
The high end of 80 was that a lot of people over that age potentially either:
1) won't be affected or realise they're affected.
2) Will be dead by the time changes happen.(see above)
3) Potentially were brow beaten in to how to vote.

What a shambles it could turn out to be.
I stress could but in reality I think it's going to go well south and there will be much soul searching as you are looking at your kids and kids kids thinking, " why didn't I put real thought into if it really was as bad as I convinced myself it was"

Yeah, 'cos all old people are so gullible and easy to manipulate, aren't they? Not like all those 18-21 year olds who voted for Corbyn's lot at the last election because he promised to do away with student loans.....and then admitted after that they couldn't afford to do it, whilst all us oldies had a jolly good laugh, whilst waiting for our meds to come round, over the lies politicians tell.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Jul 18 3.32pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

anybody espousing disenfranchising all the elderly's deserves a job in Brussels....the most undemocratic totalitarian outfit on the planet.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Jul 18 5.17pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Yeah, 'cos all old people are so gullible and easy to manipulate, aren't they? Not like all those 18-21 year olds who voted for Corbyn's lot at the last election because he promised to do away with student loans.....and then admitted after that they couldn't afford to do it, whilst all us oldies had a jolly good laugh, whilst waiting for our meds to come round, over the lies politicians tell.

The word was potentially
Not was or were.
And 18 year olds were allowed a vote at the general election not 16 year olds.
Not all 18-21 year olds are super gullible like a lot of older folk are not either.
The difference was 2%
Not 20 or 25%
That probably would have been wiped out with 16 and 17 year olds
As for older people you will find many easy to manipulate. I could if inclined to do it to my parents in certain situations. I don't I only advise when asked. That's the point that they may have asked which way to vote to benefit their kin and hey Presto.
Ask most people with parents of 80 plus and it will be how it is.
Sorry to anyone if they don't or wouldn't be manipulated by their kin but many do and in this referendum it would have followed that pattern.
Look I want the best out of this for me, my kids and their kids God willing.
I just feel it won't be all it is cracked up to be.
I stand to be proven wrong and hope I am.
In the meantime I am entitled to voice my concerns about it. I don't think there should be another vote for the record it was just the wrong criteria.

 
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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 28 Jul 18 5.36pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

The word was potentially
Not was or were.
And 18 year olds were allowed a vote at the general election not 16 year olds.
Not all 18-21 year olds are super gullible like a lot of older folk are not either.
The difference was 2%
Not 20 or 25%
That probably would have been wiped out with 16 and 17 year olds
As for older people you will find many easy to manipulate. I could if inclined to do it to my parents in certain situations. I don't I only advise when asked. That's the point that they may have asked which way to vote to benefit their kin and hey Presto.
Ask most people with parents of 80 plus and it will be how it is.
Sorry to anyone if they don't or wouldn't be manipulated by their kin but many do and in this referendum it would have followed that pattern.
Look I want the best out of this for me, my kids and their kids God willing.
I just feel it won't be all it is cracked up to be.
I stand to be proven wrong and hope I am.
In the meantime I am entitled to voice my concerns about it. I don't think there should be another vote for the record it was just the wrong criteria.

A 52% - 48% majority is a difference of 4%. Was Steeleye your maths teacher?

 

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