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 Painter  Croydon 12 Feb 17 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Many know no better, and even if they did they wouldn't know how to ''improve themselves''. Your right many do not know any better, as they have been spoon fed by the state. Without going over very old ground, they have no desire to improve themselves unless they have too. The benefit system needs a major revamp, that encourages people to improve themselves or their benefits are reduced or stopped.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Feb 17 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Painter
Your right many do not know any better, as they have been spoon fed by the state. Without going over very old ground, they have no desire to improve themselves unless they have too. The benefit system needs a major revamp, that encourages people to improve themselves or their benefits are reduced or stopped. Wouldn't a better incentive be to increase their benefits in line with achieving goals associated with improvement. Anyhow, the government could give a s**t about people bettering themselves and certainly even less of a s**t about making such things available to people.
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| Painter Croydon 13 Feb 17 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Wouldn't a better incentive be to increase their benefits in line with achieving goals associated with improvement. Anyhow, the government could give a s**t about people bettering themselves and certainly even less of a s**t about making such things available to people. They can keep their current benefits, if they try to improve themselves and make themselves more employable. The government is there to govern, not hold people's hand. Whilst you give people something for nothing, that is what you get nothing in return.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Feb 17 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
They can keep their current benefits, if they try to improve themselves and make themselves more employable. The government is there to govern, not hold people's hand. Whilst you give people something for nothing, that is what you get nothing in return. You do realise that wouldn't work though, and that in truth, the problem of being employable is largely geographic for most people (and in fact most people who are unemployed can't afford to make themselves more employable). Who decides who isn't 'pulling their weight' and who decides the criteria by which someone is not 'sufficiently improving themselves' and would you trust any British government of the last 40 years to not abuse this.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Feb 17 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
They can keep their current benefits, if they try to improve themselves and make themselves more employable. The government is there to govern, not hold people's hand. Whilst you give people something for nothing, that is what you get nothing in return. The government is there, to represent the people, not to rule them. Problem is the assumption that 'everyone who's on benefits' is employable, or can afford to work a job that leaves them worse off than being on benefits.
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| Painter Croydon 13 Feb 17 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The government is there, to represent the people, not to rule them. Problem is the assumption that 'everyone who's on benefits' is employable, or can afford to work a job that leaves them worse off than being on benefits. Precisely I am glad you agree, people are being paid to much in benefits. So there is no incentive to improve themselves and work for a living.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Feb 17 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The government is there, to represent the people, not to rule them. Problem is the assumption that 'everyone who's on benefits' is employable, or can afford to work a job that leaves them worse off than being on benefits. Which people are they there to represent and not rule - although of course they do rule.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Feb 17 7.21pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
Precisely I am glad you agree, people are being paid to much in benefits. So there is no incentive to improve themselves and work for a living. I'm not sure that supporting your family is a distinctly British Value. In fact I'd argue that most British 'values' are pretty much most people around the world's values
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| Herts_CPFC 13 Feb 17 8.58pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'm not sure that supporting your family is a distinctly British Value. In fact I'd argue that most British 'values' are pretty much most people around the world's values In which case why title this thread "so much for British values"? Either you believe in them or you don't. Or did you mean "so much for world values"? :-/
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Feb 17 10.09pm |
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Originally posted by Herts_CPFC
In which case why title this thread "so much for British values"? Either you believe in them or you don't. Or did you mean "so much for world values"? :-/ It was a nod to the fact the Tories keep banging on about them You can't go into a school without seeing a display board with British Values on it.
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| Herts_CPFC 13 Feb 17 11.28pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It was a nod to the fact the Tories keep banging on about them You can't go into a school without seeing a display board with British Values on it. So you don't believe their is such a thing as British values then? And if so, in which case, our refusal to take in more (supposedly child) refugees cannot be a contravention or something that doesn't, in your eyes, exist. Can't have it both ways.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Feb 17 11.39pm |
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Originally posted by Herts_CPFC
So you don't believe their is such a thing as British values then? And if so, in which case, our refusal to take in more (supposedly child) refugees cannot be a contravention or something that doesn't, in your eyes, exist. Can't have it both ways. I do believe that there is a perception of what British Values are. My point was that many, if not all of the values would resonate with people around the world. Or are you suggesting we possess particular values exclusively? I love the way you attribute a thought to me, then go on to slag my position off based on your perception of what my position may or may not be. Good work. Edited by nickgusset (13 Feb 2017 11.43pm)
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