I'm personally not a fan of Thatcher although she did some things that had to be done (that even subsequent Labour governments decided not to reverse). To her detriment She ushered in a period of overt selfishness in our society in the 80's that we have never recovered from.

To my mind conservatism is not all about economic gain but the principles of freedom, self determination but very social responsibility or social conservatism if you like. Crony capitalism (asset stripping and the like) has been a cancer in the west for too long. I'm a believer in the free market to the extent that people are providing some value to the wider society rather than just themselves. Even merchant bankers can do that.

she is Guyanan! Just because she may or may not have a British passport doesnt make her British.....After all Jesus was born in a stable, didnt make him a horse did it?

Neliberalism has increased levels of inequality in our society to levels normally only seen in wars or famines. Financialisation has allowed the rich to increase their wealth exponentially, benefitting corporations which have trashed local communities across the world and destroyed the planet.

But Britain is the global epicentre of the financial world, linking east to west, still in possession of principalities across the world where the rich can horde their wealth away from the clutches of anyone who dares say they should give something back.

What they have created is a society with a hell of a lot of anger and a sense of injustice, who are looking for someone to blame. Brexit has become that thing, but if what you're angry about is crony capitalism then I don't think Sajid Javid (Deutsche Bank) Farage (former commodity trader) and Boris Johnson (openly funded by venture capitalists) are going to save you.

There is only one party who is actually standing up to the financial sector. But I won't say their name or I'll get called anti-Semitic!

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

The European union being amongst them.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Having people on here constantly saying that nobody voted for no deal and that everyone was led to believe that there would be an easily arranged deal with the EU, I decided to revisit the Government's very own document to every household in the UK (yes that £9.something million one that was to persuade us to remain) - I quote below the section from it about leaving: it actually refers to 10 years of 'unpicking trade with the EU' and that a deal may not be too easy to negotiate with them. So where does all this 'you didn't vote for no deal come from if even the Government's own paperwork says this is the most likely event? I have highlighted the relevant bits.

"What happens if we leave?

Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential economic disruption. This would reduce investment and cost jobs. The Government judges it could result in 10 years or more of uncertainty as the UK unpicks our relationship with the EU and renegotiates new arrangements with the EU and over 50 other countries around the world.Some argue that we could strike a good deal quickly with the EU because they want to keep access to our market. But the Government’s judgement is that it would be much harder than that – less than 8% of EU exports come to the UK while 44% of UK exports go to the EU. No other country has managed to secure significant access to the Single Market, without having to:•follow EU rules over which they have no real say• pay into the EU•accept EU citizens living and working in their countryA more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the Single Market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy. For example, Canada’s deal with the EU will give limited access for services, it has so far been seven years in the making andis still not in force.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

I wonder how many who voted leave, now want a second referendum?

It's just conspiracy theory, widely circulated among the right, but totally fake. Rumours don't equal truth if they are deliberately started to divert and deflect.

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Edited by Wisbech Eagle (17 Sep 2019 7.14pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Umm, yes, I know that.

It was a well researched and objective analysis of why these conspiracy theories had built up.

No-one after watching it, who has an open mind, could seriously believe them anymore.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

So compare that fact of an open mind to climate change being man made or not.
There are really convincing arguments both ways.
It's what the individual wants to believe.
Much like all of our different takes on brexit and the dangers or not!