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HKOwen Hong Kong 04 May 22 11.46pm
Originally posted by BlueJay I'd say the issue itself is not irrelevant as it will impact millions of people. As for the leak, whoever is responsible should certainly be held to account. It's not immediately obvious who it would be as I can think of multiple reasons for putting out there that would benefit either left or right..distracting from the issue itself (to diminish its impact), to get the justices to stick to whatever this draft says (its an early draft and its certainly possible that changes had taken place since) , as a heads-up or warning of what is coming, to make it a midterms issues.. the list goes on. We will know more before long I'd expect. Edited by BlueJay (04 May 2022 12.24am) Whatever the issue, the leak is an unprecedented event in the history of SCOTUS. Of course Roe vs Wade is one of the most divisive issues in the US. I suggest people might want to google ultrascan images at 20 and 24 weeks to have an informed view on whether abortion is terminating a pregnancy or killing a baby. Edited by HKOwen (04 May 2022 11.50pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 04 May 22 11.46pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

I'd say the issue itself is not irrelevant as it will impact millions of people. As for the leak, whoever is responsible should certainly be held to account. It's not immediately obvious who it would be as I can think of multiple reasons for putting out there that would benefit either left or right..distracting from the issue itself (to diminish its impact), to get the justices to stick to whatever this draft says (its an early draft and its certainly possible that changes had taken place since) , as a heads-up or warning of what is coming, to make it a midterms issues.. the list goes on. We will know more before long I'd expect.

Edited by BlueJay (04 May 2022 12.24am)

Whatever the issue, the leak is an unprecedented event in the history of SCOTUS.

Of course Roe vs Wade is one of the most divisive issues in the US.

I suggest people might want to google ultrascan images at 20 and 24 weeks to have an informed view on whether abortion is terminating a pregnancy or killing a baby.

Edited by HKOwen (04 May 2022 11.50pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

BlueJay UK 05 May 22 12.18am
Originally posted by HKOwen Whatever the issue, the leak is an unprecedented event in the history of SCOTUS. Of course Roe vs Wade is one of the most divisive issues in the US. I suggest people might want to google ultrascan images at 20 and 24 weeks to have an informed view on whether abortion is terminating a pregnancy or killing a baby. Edited by HKOwen (04 May 2022 11.50pm) Yes, this leak is certainly not a positive thing and not the kind of first we need repeating. Hopefully they will figure out who is to blame. I don't think anyone should view abortion lightly even if they are well within a time period that many of most would agree with. There are also though many concerning issues that come up when a near blanket ban is in place (raped women forced to give birth, women in medical jeopardy forced to give birth). You get depraved 'teams' types who just aren't happy unless they feel that one pushed extreme or another wins the day. By all means limit the period at which abortion is legal but beyond that, there is a certain autonomy of the individual that should be respected at some point as they are the ones in an often complex or concerning situation. It's very easy to have an opinion when it requires no work or effort. Though some are used to that of course. I posted before about how I find it repugnant that Down Syndrome babies here (in the UK) can be terminated essentially right up to birth (many dont even realise that), so it's not like we have the right balance either by any means. Far from it. But as I say the moment these things turn completely 'my way or no way' in neither direction it never ends up being the right or even a workable approach. Edited by BlueJay (05 May 2022 12.21am)

BlueJay

UK 05 May 22 12.18am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Whatever the issue, the leak is an unprecedented event in the history of SCOTUS.

Of course Roe vs Wade is one of the most divisive issues in the US.

I suggest people might want to google ultrascan images at 20 and 24 weeks to have an informed view on whether abortion is terminating a pregnancy or killing a baby.

Edited by HKOwen (04 May 2022 11.50pm)

Yes, this leak is certainly not a positive thing and not the kind of first we need repeating. Hopefully they will figure out who is to blame.

I don't think anyone should view abortion lightly even if they are well within a time period that many of most would agree with. There are also though many concerning issues that come up when a near blanket ban is in place (raped women forced to give birth, women in medical jeopardy forced to give birth). You get depraved 'teams' types who just aren't happy unless they feel that one pushed extreme or another wins the day. By all means limit the period at which abortion is legal but beyond that, there is a certain autonomy of the individual that should be respected at some point as they are the ones in an often complex or concerning situation. It's very easy to have an opinion when it requires no work or effort. Though some are used to that of course.

I posted before about how I find it repugnant that Down Syndrome babies here (in the UK) can be terminated essentially right up to birth (many dont even realise that), so it's not like we have the right balance either by any means. Far from it. But as I say the moment these things turn completely 'my way or no way' in neither direction it never ends up being the right or even a workable approach.

Edited by BlueJay (05 May 2022 12.21am)

Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 22 7.49am
The White House does not have a view on the leak according to their press secretary. A rather disappointing statement considering this is the first time in history the inner working of the SC have been revealed. This has all the makings of a constitutional crisis at the very least the WH should have paid lip service to finding who dunnit. Edited by Badger11 (05 May 2022 8.09am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 May 22 7.49am

The White House does not have a view on the leak according to their press secretary. A rather disappointing statement considering this is the first time in history the inner working of the SC have been revealed.

This has all the makings of a constitutional crisis at the very least the WH should have paid lip service to finding who dunnit.

Edited by Badger11 (05 May 2022 8.09am)

One more point

Matov 05 May 22 7.58am
Originally posted by Badger11 The White does not have a view on the leak according to their press secretary. A rather disappointing statement considering this is the first time in history the inner working of the SC have been revealed. This has all the makings of a constitutional crisis at the very least the WH should have paid lip service to finding who dunnit. We are into some seriously unchartered waters here. But let's not forget this is a Democratic party machine that allowed entire districts to be destroyed. Ordered cops to stand down as businesses and homes were destroyed. Actively encouraged organisations such as BLM and Antifa to attack people. All in the name of taking power. The culture war is about to go very, very hot. Forget abortion, what this battle is now ultimately about is Federal Governance v state. Abortion is not illegal, merely the power to define how it happens has, if this ruling goes through, reverting back to individual state control. Essentially Lefites who bleat and moan about wanting more devolution and local democracy are now all on the side of central Government authority. The WH ain't going to investigate this leak. They were the ones who orchestrated it. Edited by Matov (05 May 2022 7.59am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

05 May 22 7.58am

Originally posted by Badger11

The White does not have a view on the leak according to their press secretary. A rather disappointing statement considering this is the first time in history the inner working of the SC have been revealed.

This has all the makings of a constitutional crisis at the very least the WH should have paid lip service to finding who dunnit.

We are into some seriously unchartered waters here. But let's not forget this is a Democratic party machine that allowed entire districts to be destroyed. Ordered cops to stand down as businesses and homes were destroyed. Actively encouraged organisations such as BLM and Antifa to attack people. All in the name of taking power.

The culture war is about to go very, very hot. Forget abortion, what this battle is now ultimately about is Federal Governance v state. Abortion is not illegal, merely the power to define how it happens has, if this ruling goes through, reverting back to individual state control.

Essentially Lefites who bleat and moan about wanting more devolution and local democracy are now all on the side of central Government authority. The WH ain't going to investigate this leak. They were the ones who orchestrated it.

Edited by Matov (05 May 2022 7.59am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 22 8.16am
What the White House should be concerned about is the pressure that the SC is now under before it renders its judgement. As I understand it this was a first draft written by one judge it maybe that it does not reflect the thinking of all of the judges or maybe it does. It's entirely possible that the judges agreed that 2 documents for and against would be written to help them crystallise the issues and only one side has been released. Either way if the judges now decide to leave the law alone then half of America will believe that the leaking of this document and the uproar has bullied the SC into bottling it. Biden should have made a statement condemning the leak whilst putting his sides view that would be the Presidential thing to do. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 May 22 8.16am

What the White House should be concerned about is the pressure that the SC is now under before it renders its judgement.

As I understand it this was a first draft written by one judge it maybe that it does not reflect the thinking of all of the judges or maybe it does.

It's entirely possible that the judges agreed that 2 documents for and against would be written to help them crystallise the issues and only one side has been released.

Either way if the judges now decide to leave the law alone then half of America will believe that the leaking of this document and the uproar has bullied the SC into bottling it.

Biden should have made a statement condemning the leak whilst putting his sides view that would be the Presidential thing to do.

One more point

Matov 05 May 22 8.41am
Originally posted by Badger11 Biden should have made a statement condemning the leak whilst putting his sides view that would be the Presidential thing to do. We are beyond any notion of 'Presidential' now. From either side, sadly. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

05 May 22 8.41am

Originally posted by Badger11

Biden should have made a statement condemning the leak whilst putting his sides view that would be the Presidential thing to do.

We are beyond any notion of 'Presidential' now. From either side, sadly.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 22 9.03am
Originally posted by Matov We are beyond any notion of 'Presidential' now. From either side, sadly. Yup and yet that was a big complaint from the Trump haters and Biden is guilty of the same. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 May 22 9.03am

Originally posted by Matov

We are beyond any notion of 'Presidential' now. From either side, sadly.

Yup and yet that was a big complaint from the Trump haters and Biden is guilty of the same.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 May 22 9.42am
Originally posted by Badger11 What the White House should be concerned about is the pressure that the SC is now under before it renders its judgement. As I understand it this was a first draft written by one judge it maybe that it does not reflect the thinking of all of the judges or maybe it does. It's entirely possible that the judges agreed that 2 documents for and against would be written to help them crystallise the issues and only one side has been released. Either way if the judges now decide to leave the law alone then half of America will believe that the leaking of this document and the uproar has bullied the SC into bottling it. Biden should have made a statement condemning the leak whilst putting his sides view that would be the Presidential thing to do. I hadn't considered the possibility of there being two draft documents, for and against, although the Court acknowledging its authenticity seems to make that unlikely. I am sure the WH is very concerned about it, but maybe decided not to throw fuel on a fire and bide their time before making any comment. This is already a crisis. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (05 May 2022 9.43am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 05 May 22 9.42am

Originally posted by Badger11

What the White House should be concerned about is the pressure that the SC is now under before it renders its judgement.

As I understand it this was a first draft written by one judge it maybe that it does not reflect the thinking of all of the judges or maybe it does.

It's entirely possible that the judges agreed that 2 documents for and against would be written to help them crystallise the issues and only one side has been released.

Either way if the judges now decide to leave the law alone then half of America will believe that the leaking of this document and the uproar has bullied the SC into bottling it.

Biden should have made a statement condemning the leak whilst putting his sides view that would be the Presidential thing to do.

I hadn't considered the possibility of there being two draft documents, for and against, although the Court acknowledging its authenticity seems to make that unlikely.

I am sure the WH is very concerned about it, but maybe decided not to throw fuel on a fire and bide their time before making any comment. This is already a crisis.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (05 May 2022 9.43am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

W12 05 May 22 11.33am
The America empire is falling and is trying to distract from that with numerous divisive moral panics and false flags. You can see this from the average twitter BIO. People are so flooded with information they cannot remember what happened 3 months ago and the fact that it turned out to all be a load of bollocks. Vaccinated v Unvaccinated Black v White Left v Right Us v Russians Pro life v Pro Choice Lesbians v Trans It's classic divide and conquer and misdirection and people need to wise up to this. Edited by W12 (05 May 2022 11.34am) Attachment: 2022-05-05 10.59.44.jpg (164.05Kb)

W12 05 May 22 11.33am

The America empire is falling and is trying to distract from that with numerous divisive moral panics and false flags. You can see this from the average twitter BIO. People are so flooded with information they cannot remember what happened 3 months ago and the fact that it turned out to all be a load of bollocks.

Vaccinated v Unvaccinated
Black v White
Left v Right
Us v Russians
Pro life v Pro Choice
Lesbians v Trans

It's classic divide and conquer and misdirection and people need to wise up to this.

Edited by W12 (05 May 2022 11.34am)

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W12 05 May 22 11.34am
At the same time who is getting richer? Edited by W12 (05 May 2022 11.49am)

W12 05 May 22 11.34am

At the same time who is getting richer?

Edited by W12 (05 May 2022 11.49am)

HKOwen Hong Kong 05 May 22 12.27pm
Originally posted by W12 The America empire is falling and is trying to distract from that with numerous divisive moral panics and false flags. You can see this from the average twitter BIO. People are so flooded with information they cannot remember what happened 3 months ago and the fact that it turned out to all be a load of bollocks. Vaccinated v Unvaccinated Black v White Left v Right Us v Russians Pro life v Pro Choice Lesbians v Trans It's classic divide and conquer and misdirection and people need to wise up to this. Edited by W12 (05 May 2022 11.34am) Don't worry, Biden will bring the world together and all will be well Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 05 May 22 12.27pm

Originally posted by W12

Vaccinated v Unvaccinated
Black v White
Left v Right
Us v Russians
Pro life v Pro Choice
Lesbians v Trans

It's classic divide and conquer and misdirection and people need to wise up to this.

Edited by W12 (05 May 2022 11.34am)

Don't worry, Biden will bring the world together and all will be well

Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 22 1.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I hadn't considered the possibility of there being two draft documents, for and against, although the Court acknowledging its authenticity seems to make that unlikely. I am sure the WH is very concerned about it, but maybe decided not to throw fuel on a fire and bide their time before making any comment. This is already a crisis. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (05 May 2022 9.43am) Don't buy this, all he had to do was condemn the leak and support the enquiry and the independence of the SC whilst also declaring his support for pro abortion. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 May 22 1.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I hadn't considered the possibility of there being two draft documents, for and against, although the Court acknowledging its authenticity seems to make that unlikely.

I am sure the WH is very concerned about it, but maybe decided not to throw fuel on a fire and bide their time before making any comment. This is already a crisis.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (05 May 2022 9.43am)

Don't buy this, all he had to do was condemn the leak and support the enquiry and the independence of the SC whilst also declaring his support for pro abortion.

One more point

BlueJay UK 05 May 22 2.33pm
Originally posted by W12 The America empire is falling and is trying to distract from that with numerous divisive moral panics and false flags. You can see this from the average twitter BIO. People are so flooded with information they cannot remember what happened 3 months ago and the fact that it turned out to all be a load of bollocks. Vaccinated v Unvaccinated Black v White Left v Right Us v Russians Pro life v Pro Choice Lesbians v Trans It's classic divide and conquer and misdirection and people need to wise up to this. Edited by W12 (05 May 2022 11.34am) I'm not saying you're wrong at all on this point, but you specifically buy into all of this yourself to extremes in what you state as your political stances and emphasis.. essentially writing off black people ('black supremacists', repulsively bunging in gay people with trans people with pedos.. taking a very stark, alarmist view on the vaccine. Your extreme fixation on attacking Ukraine and giving Russia a perpetual free pass .. You're a textbook version of what you claim is the distraction. Someone directed to cross off or demonise entire demographics like you're playing bingo with others lives.. If you claim that you realise this is all a pointless distraction then maybe you'd be better off acting like it instead of embodying a starkly extreme, almost concerning version of it. Edited by BlueJay (05 May 2022 2.48pm)

BlueJay

UK 05 May 22 2.33pm

Originally posted by W12

Vaccinated v Unvaccinated
Black v White
Left v Right
Us v Russians
Pro life v Pro Choice
Lesbians v Trans

It's classic divide and conquer and misdirection and people need to wise up to this.

Edited by W12 (05 May 2022 11.34am)

I'm not saying you're wrong at all on this point, but you specifically buy into all of this yourself to extremes in what you state as your political stances and emphasis.. essentially writing off black people ('black supremacists', repulsively bunging in gay people with trans people with pedos.. taking a very stark, alarmist view on the vaccine. Your extreme fixation on attacking Ukraine and giving Russia a perpetual free pass .. You're a textbook version of what you claim is the distraction. Someone directed to cross off or demonise entire demographics like you're playing bingo with others lives.. If you claim that you realise this is all a pointless distraction then maybe you'd be better off acting like it instead of embodying a starkly extreme, almost concerning version of it.

Edited by BlueJay (05 May 2022 2.48pm)

W12 05 May 22 3.20pm
Originally posted by BlueJay I'm not saying you're wrong at all on this point, but you specifically buy into all of this yourself to extremes in what you state as your political stances and emphasis.. essentially writing off black people ('black supremacists', repulsively bunging in gay people with trans people with pedos.. taking a very stark, alarmist view on the vaccine. Your extreme fixation on attacking Ukraine and giving Russia a perpetual free pass .. You're a textbook version of what you claim is the distraction. Someone directed to cross off or demonise entire demographics like you're playing bingo with others lives.. If you claim that you realise this is all a pointless distraction then maybe you'd be better off acting like it instead of embodying a starkly extreme, almost concerning version of it. Edited by BlueJay (05 May 2022 2.48pm) Are we resorting to offence archeology now? Stay on point sunshine.

W12 05 May 22 3.20pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Edited by BlueJay (05 May 2022 2.48pm)

Are we resorting to offence archeology now? Stay on point sunshine.

BlueJay UK 05 May 22 4.25pm
Originally posted by W12 Are we resorting to offence archeology now? Stay on point sunshine. I'm basing the above on what you stated a week back as the issues that mattered to you. They all solely align with stark all or nothing takes on social issues. Just pointing out that you've highlighted that these are distractions (i agree) but certainly buy wholesale into that very narrative more than almost anyone I've ever seen post on here.

BlueJay

UK 05 May 22 4.25pm

Originally posted by W12

Are we resorting to offence archeology now? Stay on point sunshine.

I'm basing the above on what you stated a week back as the issues that mattered to you. They all solely align with stark all or nothing takes on social issues. Just pointing out that you've highlighted that these are distractions (i agree) but certainly buy wholesale into that very narrative more than almost anyone I've ever seen post on here.

Stirlingsays 07 May 22 5.31am
Tucker Carlson hits it out of the park. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 May 22 5.31am

Tucker Carlson hits it out of the park.

[Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 May 22 8.16am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Tucker Carlson hits it out of the park. [Link] Someone should hit him out of the park. If ever there was evidence of someone being "passive-aggressive" it's this bs-ter. Better that though than just being aggressive. Much better to control yourself and express your anger with passion, than just lash out. Somewhat strange, then, that is what he appears to be complaining about. I would love to be a fly on the wall during one of his daily meetings during which his "team" decide what will be the subject of today's rant. I bet they mark the ideas on controversy value and how they will score with the MAGA mob. Never on truth. Ratings is their game. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 07 May 22 8.16am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Tucker Carlson hits it out of the park.

[Link]

Someone should hit him out of the park.

If ever there was evidence of someone being "passive-aggressive" it's this bs-ter.

Better that though than just being aggressive. Much better to control yourself and express your anger with passion, than just lash out.

Somewhat strange, then, that is what he appears to be complaining about.

I would love to be a fly on the wall during one of his daily meetings during which his "team" decide what will be the subject of today's rant. I bet they mark the ideas on controversy value and how they will score with the MAGA mob. Never on truth. Ratings is their game.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 07 May 22 8.23am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Someone should hit him out of the park. If ever there was evidence of someone being "passive-aggressive" it's this bs-ter. Better that though than just being aggressive. Much better to control yourself and express your anger with passion, than just lash out. Somewhat strange, then, that is what he appears to be complaining about. I would love to be a fly on the wall during one of his daily meetings during which his "team" decide what will be the subject of today's rant. I bet they mark the ideas on controversy value and how they will score with the MAGA mob. Never on truth. Ratings is their game. Replace ratings with votes and how many politicians don't do the same?

Teddy Eagle

07 May 22 8.23am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Someone should hit him out of the park.

If ever there was evidence of someone being "passive-aggressive" it's this bs-ter.

Better that though than just being aggressive. Much better to control yourself and express your anger with passion, than just lash out.

Somewhat strange, then, that is what he appears to be complaining about.

Replace ratings with votes and how many politicians don't do the same?

Stirlingsays 07 May 22 10.37am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Someone should hit him out of the park. If ever there was evidence of someone being "passive-aggressive" it's this bs-ter. Better that though than just being aggressive. Much better to control yourself and express your anger with passion, than just lash out. Somewhat strange, then, that is what he appears to be complaining about. I would love to be a fly on the wall during one of his daily meetings during which his "team" decide what will be the subject of today's rant. I bet they mark the ideas on controversy value and how they will score with the MAGA mob. Never on truth. Ratings is their game. All you have are slurs. Whereas he made telling points you can't refute. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 May 22 10.37am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Someone should hit him out of the park.

If ever there was evidence of someone being "passive-aggressive" it's this bs-ter.

Better that though than just being aggressive. Much better to control yourself and express your anger with passion, than just lash out.

Somewhat strange, then, that is what he appears to be complaining about.

All you have are slurs.

Whereas he made telling points you can't refute.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 07 May 22 12.01pm
When Project Veritas were handed Ashley Biden's diary and gave it to law enforcement, the FBI raided their offices and their journalist's homes and Veritas claimed they were spied on. When Politico were handed a draft Supreme Court decision and published it.....nothing. If anyone actually needed any proof for how the security systems have been corrupted it's right there. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2022 5.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 May 22 12.01pm

When Project Veritas were handed Ashley Biden's diary and gave it to law enforcement, the FBI raided their offices and their journalist's homes and Veritas claimed they were spied on.

When Politico were handed a draft Supreme Court decision and published it.....nothing.

If anyone actually needed any proof for how the security systems have been corrupted it's right there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2022 5.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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