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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Oct 19 2.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You never like the truth do you?

Populism, as defined in the Cambridge dictionary:-

"political ideas and activities that are intended to get the support of ordinary people by giving them what they want".

Note, what they want and not what they need! Appealing to the wishes of the majority gets you elected but it won't deliver good solutions.

'Populism' was very much to the forefront this morning when those ER clowns were pulled of the tops of those Subway trains

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Oct 19 2.11pm

I think the vote will be tight very tight.

The DUP will vote against it en bloc as will the SNP and LIB Dems. The ERG will probably split, the pundits think most will vote for the deal with a few hold outs.

That leaves the 21 /22 ex Tory MPs. Boris has told them if they vote for it they are welcome back. Some have defected others like Clarke will never vote for it so it remains to be seen how many can Boris peel off.

The Labour party is going to be the key here. If Boris can pick off around 25 MPs he might just get it though. Both Boris and Corbyn has made this a confidence vote so if enough Labour MPs rebel against Jeremy does that put him in trouble? There will be a GE very soon some Labour MPs may see this vote as an excuse to get rid of Corbyn before the GE? Who knows?

Still all to play for.

 


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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 17 Oct 19 2.12pm

 

johnno42000 Flag 17 Oct 19 2.31pm

Didn't the ERG say they wouldn't back any deal that the DUP objected to? They would be very hypocritical if any of them voted for a deal if the DUP don't... put them together and move them around and you get PURGED.

 


'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Oct 19 2.38pm

Interesting Juncker has just ruled out an extension after 31 Oct. So if the EU sticks to their word on Saturday MPs have a choice Boris deal or no deal.

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jeeagles Flag 17 Oct 19 2.39pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The Labour party is going to be the key here. If Boris can pick off around 25 MPs he might just get it though. Both Boris and Corbyn has made this a confidence vote so if enough Labour MPs rebel against Jeremy does that put him in trouble? There will be a GE very soon some Labour MPs may see this vote as an excuse to get rid of Corbyn before the GE? Who knows?

Still all to play for.

The problem is it seems the current Labour Party have got rid of all the political talent that are wise enough to get rid of Corbyn.

I can't see how he can come out of this looking good though?

Junker has just announced that their wont be a further extension. So even if Boris asks for a further extension it's likely to be rejected in order to stop this dragging on further and our MEP's taking their seats. Junker also probably realises that if one member state vetos the extension that it wouldn't happen anyway.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Oct 19 2.48pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

The problem is it seems the current Labour Party have got rid of all the political talent that are wise enough to get rid of Corbyn.

I can't see how he can come out of this looking good though?

Junker has just announced that their wont be a further extension. So even if Boris asks for a further extension it's likely to be rejected in order to stop this dragging on further and our MEP's taking their seats. Junker also probably realises that if one member state vetos the extension that it wouldn't happen anyway.

Not sure about that from Junckers whether it is just up to him.

Looks on his last legs is he really all there.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Oct 19 2.50pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Interesting Juncker has just ruled out an extension after 31 Oct. So if the EU sticks to their word on Saturday MPs have a choice Boris deal or no deal.

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Not necessarily, there is still the option to cancel (remain).

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Oct 19 2.51pm

Jean-Claude Juncker rules out an extension which means that it's either Boris's deal or no deal so f*** you remainers if you'll pardon my French

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Oct 19 2.52pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

The problem is it seems the current Labour Party have got rid of all the political talent that are wise enough to get rid of Corbyn.

I can't see how he can come out of this looking good though?

Junker has just announced that their wont be a further extension. So even if Boris asks for a further extension it's likely to be rejected in order to stop this dragging on further and our MEP's taking their seats. Junker also probably realises that if one member state vetos the extension that it wouldn't happen anyway.

Thw issue is now quite clear, if Boris loses the vote on Saturday and the EU refuses an extension then I think the public will blame Labour primarily if it's a no deal:

If you are an ardent Remainer you will be upset with Labour because they did such a lousy job in stopping us leaving. Corbyn could have called a GE and maybe even have won it before 31 Oct but this way we leave by default and maybe given that choice some Remainers would have wanted a Boris deal as better than no deal.

If you are an ardent Brexiteer you will be laughing your socks off as Boris intentionally or unintentionally has given us what we wanted all along a no deal Brexit.

If you are a moderate Brexiteer / Remainer who just wanted an end to this with some sort of a deal you will be fed up with Labour scuppering it.

All this is dependent on the EU holding to their word assuming Boris doesn't get the votes.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Oct 19 2.54pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Jean-Claude Juncker rules out an extension which means that it's either Boris's deal or no deal so f*** you remainers if you'll pardon my French

je t'adore Jean Claude

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Oct 19 2.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Not necessarily, there is still the option to cancel (remain).

It's an option but if Parliament goes that route I predict more fireworks than Guy Fawkes. No I think we are now in the end game and I think the EU want to finish this as well. They are banking on the threat that 31 Oct is the deadline to push the uncommitted MPs over the line.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 17 Oct 19 3.08pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Not necessarily, there is still the option to cancel (remain).

You forgot your smiley so here's one for you.
Free with no tie ins or hidden agendas

 

DanH Flag SW2 17 Oct 19 3.14pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Jean-Claude Juncker rules out an extension which means that it's either Boris's deal or no deal so f*** you remainers if you'll pardon my French

Going to delete your f bomb like you did the earlier one from W12?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Oct 19 3.17pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Jean-Claude Juncker rules out an extension which means that it's either Boris's deal or no deal so f*** you remainers if you'll pardon my French

Haha.

Jumping the gun.

For balance...

'Jean Claude Juncker does not have legal power to rule out extension. It’s a member state decision. It’s hard to imagine 27 EU countries categorically ruling out an extension while at this summit ... before they know if one might be necessary eg to get this deal passed'

It is of course possible they all will, but it's unlikely. Simply a bluff tactic to try to make sure the vote on Saturday is as objective as possible. We all know however, that it won't be. Again.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Oct 19 3.18pm

Originally posted by DanH

Going to delete your f bomb like you did the earlier one from W12?

He is terrible.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Oct 19 3.23pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Haha.

Jumping the gun.

For balance...

'Jean Claude Juncker does not have legal power to rule out extension. It’s a member state decision. It’s hard to imagine 27 EU countries categorically ruling out an extension while at this summit ... before they know if one might be necessary eg to get this deal passed'

It is of course possible they all will, but it's unlikely. Simply a bluff tactic to try to make sure the vote on Saturday is as objective as possible. We all know however, that it won't be. Again.

Juncker leaves office on 31st October I think he is permanently pissed tbh !

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 17 Oct 19 3.27pm

Originally posted by DanH

Going to delete your f bomb like you did the earlier one from W12?

Incredible, innit?

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Oct 19 3.33pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Jean-Claude Juncker rules out an extension which means that it's either Boris's deal or no deal so f*** you remainers if you'll pardon my French

If its Boris's deal then you can quite likely be remaining anyway (Farage agrees) !!!!

Also the UK can cancel without the EUs agreement.

Junckers probably just legless.

 

dannyboy1978 Flag 17 Oct 19 3.40pm

Originally posted by DanH

I know it’s hard to muddle through your spelling mistakes but what has ‘Borris’ done so far that May didn’t?

Have another read and I'll give you one more go

 

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