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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 31 Jan 19 10.37am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Wrong, not everyone thinks that way

Most people think immigration is a good thing and has a huge benefit

Not sure of 'most' people but the reality is that a growing population is essential.

For me the problem the left face is how they present the 'huge benefit'. Now in terms of freedom of movement for EU nationals I am all in favour of it with one or two tweaks. But it is primarily beneficial because, over-all and with the proviso that it is official figures backing this up so I cannot vouch for how true they are, EU migrants to the UK end up generating more tax revenue they they consume. The UK plc make money from them.

And if the native UK populace want to continue having a free at the point of use health care system that will keep them alive for much longer than perhaps they want to, along with enjoying feckless lifestyles with lots of holidays abroad to all inclusive luxury prison camps and buying new cars and phones every two years rather than getting married, making sacrifices and having enough kids to sustain the population then we need these EU migrants to keep on flocking to these shores. Far better them than any others.

But mass migration will always bring problems along with changing how our society looks and feels. No point in trying to paint in all in a soft focus. Nobody likes change but EU migrants are the least worst option.

All I ask for is honesty. EU migrants do not come here because of our weather or our food or our culture. They come here because eventually that want to turn into the bleating, whining, moaning, general pain in the arse that most British people are.

Lets not pretend that anybody wants to upsticks and move to a different country for anything other than selfish reasons. And nobody likes seeing their local high street become filled with shops full of foreign sounding people.

But that is the modern world. You want the benefits, pay the price.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 19 10.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

So the labour leave constituencies, probably who will be taking the biggest hit from brexit, now receiving special attention from Mrs May.

Arise Sir Dennis Skinner 'The beast of Bolsover' knighted for services to the tories.

Well Dennis do you know, we could really help you keep that coal-mine open if you see what we mean.....

Such an EU fanboy.

I'm fully expecting you to leave for the EU once we leave with a 'no deal'.

You know....because that would be consistent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jan 2019 10.40am)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jan 19 10.43am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

And in both manifestos, EU Referendum Act voted for by Parliament 544 - 53.

No surprise there, all major disasters are preceded by parliaments majority in favour of them.

Parliament's relationship with the real world is entirely coincidental.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jan 19 10.44am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Such an EU fanboy.

I'm fully expecting you to leave for the EU once we leave with a 'no deal'.

You know....because that would be consistent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jan 2019 10.40am)

Lack of an argument is your undoing teach !!!!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 31 Jan 19 10.44am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Who said they wanted freedom of movement
Who said they wanted mass immigration
Who wanted cultural change in cities

NO ONE. It was thrust on us without asking and people who will swallow some hardship. They always knew it wouldn't be easy so yes I did vote to be poorer in the short term for long term gain. I am not a buisness caring about 2019 profits for share holders I'm caring about my country and the way my community is.

How your community is?
Whats wtong with your community then dan.
As you stated earlier that there is no proof that people blamed foreigners.
With your answer you may well get the evidence to answer your own question.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 19 10.47am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

No surprise there, all major disasters are preceded by parliaments majority in favour of them.

Parliament's relationship with the real world is entirely coincidental.

Isn't that like your support for democracy is purely coincidental?.....Seemingly It's only something you support when its decisions agree with yours.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 19 10.49am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Lack of an argument is your undoing teach !!!!

It was an observation.

I can teach but you have to be willing to learn.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jan 2019 10.51am)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Jan 19 10.51am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

So the labour leave constituencies, probably who will be taking the biggest hit from brexit, now receiving special attention from Mrs May.

Arise Sir Dennis Skinner 'The beast of Bolsover' knighted for services to the tories.

Well Dennis do you know, we could really help you keep that coal-mine open if you see what we mean.....

Most admit I am surprised to find myself on the same aide of the argument as Dennis Skinner, strange bedfellows indeed.

As for the bribe to leave constituencies I don't like it but governments have always done this. Blair and Brown moved tens of thousands of public service jobs from the Tory suburbs in the south to Labour constituencies oop north. No doubt they would argue they were helping out the poorer parts of the UK which incidently is what Mrs May will now argue.

I think we can be grown up about this both Remain and Leave politicians have agendas some of them are in it for themselves and others because it is a genuine belief.

I am not going to play the game that all Leavers are noble and virtuous and that all Remainers are the opposite. I would hope Remainers would also acknowledge that there is good and bad on both sides.

Finally if it does help out the poorer parts of the country is that such a bad thing?

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jan 19 10.53am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Isn't that like your support for democracy is purely coincidental?.....Seemingly It's only something you support when its decisions agree with yours.

personal again, desist !

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 31 Jan 19 10.58am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

It’s interesting how many leavers are so sure that we didn’t vote out on economic grounds.. now that we have a better idea of consequences.

Economic arguments were a massive part of both campaigns - it’s only since the consequences have been better understood that leavers have shifted economics out of the argument.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 19 11.05am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

personal again, desist !

Pointing out someone's inconsistency and expediency is being 'personal' now? I think your interpretation of the rules is a little 'snowflake'.

And I never thought I'd see Steely go snowflake on me.

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It’s interesting how many leavers are so sure that we didn’t vote out on economic grounds.. now that we have a better idea of consequences.

Economic arguments were a massive part of both campaigns - it’s only since the consequences have been better understood that leavers have shifted economics out of the argument.

Well I don't personally know anyone who voted leave to make us richer in the short term.

I know there are arguments long term but nothing that's happening now has any reflection on that.

Most leavers were well aware that leaving would create economic turbulence.

 


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