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DanH Flag SW2 18 Oct 19 7.00am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Two pieces of great news yesterday then. Boris manages to construct a half decent deal with the EU and Wisbech Eagle won't be commenting any more.

I don't know which news gives me greater pleasure

What specifically makes it ‘half decent’ compared to May’s?

I want details please.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 18 Oct 19 7.23am

Originally posted by DanH


What specifically makes it ‘half decent’ compared to May’s?

I want details please.

[Link]

 

jeeagles Flag 18 Oct 19 8.12am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Agreed

Problem is, Boris now has a deal, this is just going to appear as more political stalling.

With regards to the DUP - f*** them. We should always protect peoples right to self determination, but that lot of bigots can f*** right off. Make them the Republic of Irelands problem.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 18 Oct 19 8.21am

Originally posted by jeeagles


With regards to the DUP - f*** them. We should always protect peoples right to self determination, but that lot of bigots can f*** right off. Make them the Republic of Irelands problem.

We actually pay more each year to Northern Ireland that we do to the EU

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Oct 19 8.35am

Depending on which paper you read Boris will either win or lose by a handful of votes. The mood music appears to be in favour of the deal the CBI, World Bank and IMF have all backed it for what it's worth.

I think any MP that believes the referendum result should be respected should conclude that this is the best deal on offer so there is no point in voting against it or delaying.

I think the public will not forgive those MPs who claim they want a deal but can't vote for this one. It's time they were honest about their intentions they are never going to vote for any deal and their protestations are looking increasing hollow.

As for the people's vote they are in disarray they were planning to add an amendment tomorrow for a 2nd referendum but now don't think they can get the votes which is ironic as there is a big march planned for Saturday. Personally I don't think there is any appetite for another referendum amongst the public or Parliament.

As for Corbyn well he didn't do himself any favours yesterday by condemning the deal before the text had even been released. He could have at least waited and pretended he read it before he rubbished it.

Remainers will continue to fight and may even win the day on Saturday in which case it's up to the EU whether they grant an extension.

Add to the mix that the SNP is now calling for a GE so likely outcomes are:
1) Boris wins
2) Boris loses, 3 month extension during which we have a GE engineered by the SNP.
3) Regardless of the outcome I expect legal challenges to continue.

As for myself I am conflicted I don't like the deal and would rather leave without one however like most I just want it done.

Still all to play for


Edited by Badger11 (18 Oct 2019 8.37am)

 


One more point

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Oct 19 8.41am

Originally posted by Badger11

Depending on which paper you read Boris will either win or lose by a handful of votes. The mood music appears to be in favour of the deal the CBI, World Bank and IMF have all backed it for what it's worth.

I think any MP that believes the referendum result should be respected should conclude that this is the best deal on offer so there is no point in voting against it or delaying.

I think the public will not forgive those MPs who claim they want a deal but can't vote for this one. It's time they were honest about their intentions they are never going to vote for any deal and their protestations are looking increasing hollow.

As for the people's vote they are in disarray they were planning to add an amendment tomorrow for a 2nd referendum but now don't think they can get the votes which is ironic as there is a big march planned for Saturday. Personally I don't think there is any appetite for another referendum amongst the public or Parliament.

As for Corbyn well he didn't do himself any favours yesterday by condemning the deal before the text had even been released. He could have at least waited and pretended he read it before he rubbished it.

Remainers will continue to fight and may even win the day on Saturday in which case it's up to the EU whether they grant an extension.

Add to the mix that the SNP is now calling for a GE so likely outcomes are:
1) Boris wins
2) Boris loses, 3 month extension during which we have a GE engineered by the SNP.
3) Regardless of the outcome I expect legal challenges to continue.

As for myself I am conflicted I don't like the deal and would rather leave without one however like most I just want it done.

Still all to play for


Edited by Badger11 (18 Oct 2019 8.37am)

Agree with this especially the last 2 paragraphs

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Oct 19 8.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Touchy? No. Tired of trying to be patient and kind, yes.

Have you read the nonsense that comes from this guy? Wild conspiracy theories that he cannot substantiate alongside attempts at diversion by insult.


Did you ever condemn Pussay Patrol in the same way?

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Oct 19 8.45am

Originally posted by DanH

There’s a lot more concessions but there’s been movement on the Irish issue. It’s workable but it’s still not the Brexit the hardcore or the remainers want.

There’s not a lot of detail so the fun times start if/when it gets through Parliament. (I think this one will)

Out of interest what sort of Brexit do the Remainers want?

 

DanH Flag SW2 18 Oct 19 9.09am

I’ve read what’s been published. I want to know what you personally think is better than the previous deal. Don’t be lazy.

 

DanH Flag SW2 18 Oct 19 9.10am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Out of interest what sort of Brexit do the Remainers want?

Yeah I realised this after posting it that it’s ‘no Brexit’ ha.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Oct 19 9.40am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Touchy? No. Tired of trying to be patient and kind, yes.

Have you read the nonsense that comes from this guy? Wild conspiracy theories that he cannot substantiate alongside attempts at diversion by insult.


Please enlighten us to what you mean. I have never given you any wild conspiracy theories and it is another attempt by you to down ANYONE that you disagree with. As I have said before you are just a lower deck Lawyer of the highest degree and realise other people have their opinions even if you do not like or agree with them. I would suggest that you get back in your box and keep your head down for a while.

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Oct 19 9.42am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Two pieces of great news yesterday then. Boris manages to construct a half decent deal with the EU and Wisbech Eagle won't be commenting any more.

I don't know which news gives me greater pleasure

This one gives me the greatest pleasure and with a bit of luck he will do as I have suggested and get back in his box and keep his head down.

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

chris123 Flag hove actually 18 Oct 19 9.50am

Originally posted by susmik

This one gives me the greatest pleasure and with a bit of luck he will do as I have suggested and get back in his box and keep his head down.

Lot's of scope when the trade deal negotiations start surely?

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 18 Oct 19 10.00am

Originally posted by chris123

Lot's of scope when the trade deal negotiations start surely?

If you are a cricket fan you may recall that Shane Warne once suggested that Monty Panesar hadn't played 50 test matches, he had played the same one fifty times.

In a similar vein our friend hasn't made 700 posts in this thread he has made the same post 700 times and as the trade deals won't have much if anything to do with the will of parliament he may have nothing to post about

with luck

 

Lyons550 Flag Shirley 18 Oct 19 10.09am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Johnson lost yet another vote in the HOC today meaning that MPs will have longer on Saturday to debate and also propose amendments.

That could actually be quite significant, maybe allowing Benn to kick in.

But why are they voting on this so soon, surely the 'deal' will be a complicated international treaty, how will they have sufficient knowledge to decide within only 2 days?

That's down to the procrastination that they have 2 days...they have no one else to blame but themselves. They tried to set Boris up to fail and he comes up with a deal...now they better just get on with it. It makes me laugh when the opposition use the time its taken (3½ years) to get to this point as a justification for a referendum...when its just as much down to them and their obsfucation that its taken that long in the first place. I honestly think in all that time they've only got their act together for a combined 4 weeks working as a collective!

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 18 Oct 19 10.14am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If you are a cricket fan you may recall that Shane Warne once suggested that Monty Panesar hadn't played 50 test matches, he had played the same one fifty times.

In a similar vein our friend hasn't made 700 posts in this thread he has made the same post 700 times and as the trade deals won't have much if anything to do with the will of parliament he may have nothing to post about

with luck

I do, Warne was right, and it was less than 50!

 

DANGERCLOSE Flag London 18 Oct 19 10.16am

Originally posted by DanH

There’s a lot more concessions but there’s been movement on the Irish issue. It’s workable but it’s still not the Brexit the hardcore or the remainers want.

There’s not a lot of detail so the fun times start if/when it gets through Parliament. (I think this one will)

Agreed

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Oct 19 10.22am

“The prime minister’s desire to meet his short-term political objective of leaving on 31 October, after three and a half years, cannot trump the need for proper scrutiny of a 500+ page document with epochal consequences for Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the EU.”

They never learn do they, pass this and it will all be ok.

Parliament is being bounced by Johnson and if history is anything to go by, they will baulk.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 18 Oct 19 10.32am

Surely the time has come for all progressive people to show solidarity by wearing blue berets and bellowing 'stoooooooooop breeeeeeeexit' at all times when in public?

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Oct 19 11.29am

Brexit extension unavoidable if MPs reject deal, says Merkel.

German chancellor tells EU leaders UK should be offered extension if it is requested.

Well that clears up one matter I think.

 

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