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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 5.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Utter drivel. The entire visual media is pro Euro and they have the biggest influence. That's just your perception. It isn't mine. The government campaigned to Remain. They did and they faced an uphill battle. It's always harder to sell the status quo than the unseen promise of sunshine over the hill. The idea that we voted Leave because of indoctrination is so ludicrous that it barely deserves a response. Pay attention! Not you. I suspect you would have voted to leave well before any information was published. However you don't speak for all the 52% who voted to leave so cannot say why "we" voted as they did. It's the influence on the swing voters that was critical. You are basically saying that people should only listen to information that happens to fit with you beliefs. I am not saying anything of the kind. I am saying that some of the "information" available that way is tainted and not reliable, as has been proven time and again. This is a phenomenon which won't be easily cured but must be addressed. Bonkers. I agree. Your comment was indeed bonkers. So at least you are being consistent. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Oct 2019 6.52pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 5.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Utter drivel.

The entire visual media is pro Euro and they have the biggest influence.

That's just your perception. It isn't mine.

The government campaigned to Remain.

They did and they faced an uphill battle. It's always harder to sell the status quo than the unseen promise of sunshine over the hill.

The idea that we voted Leave because of indoctrination is so ludicrous that it barely deserves a response.

Pay attention! Not you. I suspect you would have voted to leave well before any information was published. However you don't speak for all the 52% who voted to leave so cannot say why "we" voted as they did. It's the influence on the swing voters that was critical.

You are basically saying that people should only listen to information that happens to fit with you beliefs.

I am not saying anything of the kind. I am saying that some of the "information" available that way is tainted and not reliable, as has been proven time and again. This is a phenomenon which won't be easily cured but must be addressed.

Bonkers.

I agree. Your comment was indeed bonkers. So at least you are being consistent.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Oct 2019 6.52pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Invalid user 2019 18 Oct 19 5.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We are much further down the road now and the deal is not exactly the same. Any MP who wants to avoid no deal or the nightmare of more delays and uncertainty needs to vote for this deal. Yes it looks like a few labour MPs are now saying they're going to vote for it. I can see it narrowly passing.

Invalid user 2019

18 Oct 19 5.58pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We are much further down the road now and the deal is not exactly the same.
Any MP who wants to avoid no deal or the nightmare of more delays and uncertainty needs to vote for this deal.

Yes it looks like a few labour MPs are now saying they're going to vote for it. I can see it narrowly passing.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 6.04pm
Originally posted by cryrst The last line is desperate. You spend months telling us we didnt know what we voted for. Now you wonder if all leavers wanted to break up the UK. You've dropped the ball wissy. Let me put it another way. In 2016 I hadn't really considered that the break up of the UK might be the ultimate outcome but the more I think about it I feel it could be. When I really think deeply about the history of the Union, and the war of independence in Ireland which resulted in it's partition, it seems that Brexit could easily be the plug hole down which it all drains away. I just asked if anyone on the leave side had thought about this and if they agreed that this was a possibility whether they thought this was a price worth paying. Seems a reasonable question to me. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 6.04pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The last line is desperate.
You spend months telling us we didnt know what we voted for.
Now you wonder if all leavers wanted to break up the UK.
You've dropped the ball wissy.

Let me put it another way.

In 2016 I hadn't really considered that the break up of the UK might be the ultimate outcome but the more I think about it I feel it could be.

When I really think deeply about the history of the Union, and the war of independence in Ireland which resulted in it's partition, it seems that Brexit could easily be the plug hole down which it all drains away.

I just asked if anyone on the leave side had thought about this and if they agreed that this was a possibility whether they thought this was a price worth paying.

Seems a reasonable question to me.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

silvertop Portishead 18 Oct 19 6.16pm
I'm gonna say this once. If BJ gets this over the line and we - at least technically - leave before the end of the month the Tories will regroup and keep power for some time. BJ will have earned it. Labour will implode as all their factions combust corbyn gets ousted and the moderate parliamentary party spend the next 5 years in opposition wrestling power from the fruitloop left. Meanwhile the lib dems moment will have gone and they will disappear into the political abyss. That said things wont go entirely as the ultra right posters on here would hope. BJ works for BJ and he cannot continue to operate as a voice for the ERG and the rest of the swivel eyed loons. They will have served their purpose and will be conveniently sidelined as he pursues an esssentially liberal agenda. Those hoping that leaving will result in the working population moving into a low wage zero hours market living purely to pay taxes to fund their generous pensions and other benefits will be sorely disappointed. Immigration will be bearly touched as most of the economic migrants you detest are non EU and the issue was never free movement or laissez faire regulations but our under resourced sieve like border controls. That issue will grumble on. There is also the risk that us remoaners were right all along and that our predictions of doom were not just project fear. Sadly unless a sensible centrist labour party emerges thank of effective opposition will mean more years of hung parliaments and political stasis. One thing is certain - none of the other 27 would be dondaft as to follow our lead unless there is a clear and obvious surge in our economy and living standards.

silvertop

Portishead 18 Oct 19 6.16pm

I'm gonna say this once. If BJ gets this over the line and we - at least technically - leave before the end of the month the Tories will regroup and keep power for some time. BJ will have earned it. Labour will implode as all their factions combust corbyn gets ousted and the moderate parliamentary party spend the next 5 years in opposition wrestling power from the fruitloop left. Meanwhile the lib dems moment will have gone and they will disappear into the political abyss.

That said things wont go entirely as the ultra right posters on here would hope. BJ works for BJ and he cannot continue to operate as a voice for the ERG and the rest of the swivel eyed loons. They will have served their purpose and will be conveniently sidelined as he pursues an esssentially liberal agenda.

Those hoping that leaving will result in the working population moving into a low wage zero hours market living purely to pay taxes to fund their generous pensions and other benefits will be sorely disappointed.

Immigration will be bearly touched as most of the economic migrants you detest are non EU and the issue was never free movement or laissez faire regulations but our under resourced sieve like border controls. That issue will grumble on.

There is also the risk that us remoaners were right all along and that our predictions of doom were not just project fear. Sadly unless a sensible centrist labour party emerges thank of effective opposition will mean more years of hung parliaments and political stasis.

One thing is certain - none of the other 27 would be dondaft as to follow our lead unless there is a clear and obvious surge in our economy and living standards.

dannyboy1978 18 Oct 19 6.56pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Amazing that May's deal was defeated by huge majorities, Johnson was in full cry 'slavery' 'vassal state' etc. Yet now 95% the same and it is 'Johnson's deal'. Enough mugs to support it too, typical 'back end of a fag-packet' UK. Amazing that the remoaners always said voters can change their mind but then get angry when politicians do. I'll enjoy my gammon tonight xx

dannyboy1978

18 Oct 19 6.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Amazing that May's deal was defeated by huge majorities, Johnson was in full cry 'slavery' 'vassal state' etc.

Yet now 95% the same and it is 'Johnson's deal'.

Enough mugs to support it too, typical 'back end of a fag-packet' UK.

Amazing that the remoaners always said voters can change their mind but then get angry when politicians do.

I'll enjoy my gammon tonight xx

Midlands Eagle 18 Oct 19 7.13pm
Originally posted by silvertop That said things wont go entirely as the ultra right posters on here would hope. What ultra right wing posters as I can only think of one

Midlands Eagle

18 Oct 19 7.13pm

Originally posted by silvertop

That said things wont go entirely as the ultra right posters on here would hope.

What ultra right wing posters as I can only think of one

Midlands Eagle 18 Oct 19 7.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle you don't speak for all the 52% who voted to leave so cannot say why "we" voted as they did I thought that we were all duped by Mr Putin

Midlands Eagle

18 Oct 19 7.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

you don't speak for all the 52% who voted to leave so cannot say why "we" voted as they did

I thought that we were all duped by Mr Putin

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Oct 19 7.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Once more only, because it only takes two words! Lisbon Treaty. What has that got to do with my posts? I suggest that you DO get back in your box Wissy and keep your head down....really low! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Oct 19 7.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Once more only, because it only takes two words!

Lisbon Treaty.

What has that got to do with my posts? I suggest that you DO get back in your box Wissy and keep your head down....really low!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

cryrst The garden of England 18 Oct 19 7.45pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Let me put it another way. In 2016 I hadn't really considered that the break up of the UK might be the ultimate outcome but the more I think about it I feel it could be. When I really think deeply about the history of the Union, and the war of independence in Ireland which resulted in it's partition, it seems that Brexit could easily be the plug hole down which it all drains away. I just asked if anyone on the leave side had thought about this and if they agreed that this was a possibility whether they thought this was a price worth paying. Seems a reasonable question to me. Do you not think it could be the emotional link to the UK that caused leavers to vote leave. I doubt many would be rubbing their hands together with a glee that 'good old blighty' will be independent and on it's own; like 100s of years ago, aside from the fact that we are all thick. BTW Do you know what the EU had planned for the next four years or so. I think your clutching at straws about this. It does seem like a bit of tarring of leavers as far right nationalist bigoted individuals. Its loaded dan and steeleye, fill your boots.

cryrst

The garden of England 18 Oct 19 7.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Let me put it another way.

In 2016 I hadn't really considered that the break up of the UK might be the ultimate outcome but the more I think about it I feel it could be.

I just asked if anyone on the leave side had thought about this and if they agreed that this was a possibility whether they thought this was a price worth paying.

Seems a reasonable question to me.

Do you not think it could be the emotional link to the UK that caused leavers to vote leave.
I doubt many would be rubbing their hands together with a glee that 'good old blighty' will be independent and on it's own; like 100s of years ago, aside from the fact that we are all thick.
BTW Do you know what the EU had planned for the next four years or so.
I think your clutching at straws about this.
It does seem like a bit of tarring of leavers as far right nationalist bigoted individuals.
Its loaded dan and steeleye, fill your boots.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Oct 19 8.07pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Amazing that the remoaners always said voters can change their mind but then get angry when politicians do. I'll enjoy my gammon tonight xx Mr. Puypes. Might I suggest supplementing your premature gorging by taking a keen interest in a dictionary and thesaurus? Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 18 Oct 19 8.07pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Amazing that the remoaners always said voters can change their mind but then get angry when politicians do.

I'll enjoy my gammon tonight xx

Mr. Puypes. Might I suggest supplementing your premature gorging by taking a keen interest in a dictionary and thesaurus?

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

dannyboy1978 18 Oct 19 8.13pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Mr. Puypes. Might I suggest supplementing your premature gorging by taking a keen interest in a dictionary and thesaurus? Nope ,deal with it, we all have our faults, Yours is being pathetic, not your fault.

dannyboy1978

18 Oct 19 8.13pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Mr. Puypes. Might I suggest supplementing your premature gorging by taking a keen interest in a dictionary and thesaurus?

Nope ,deal with it, we all have our faults,
Yours is being pathetic, not your fault.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Oct 19 8.13pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I find your post quite insulting as I wouldn't wear anything from Asda even if I was desperate and I certainly don't drink lager as it's a girl's drink Re. lager, a positive. However it is not aimed at you specifically. There are a few uber-specimens on here that it certainly could refer to but as contradictory as you can be you're not one of them. Most are out in the wild, somehow managing to maintain enough cells to generate something that barely resembles an existence. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 18 Oct 19 8.13pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I find your post quite insulting as I wouldn't wear anything from Asda even if I was desperate and I certainly don't drink lager as it's a girl's drink

Re. lager, a positive. However it is not aimed at you specifically. There are a few uber-specimens on here that it certainly could refer to but as contradictory as you can be you're not one of them. Most are out in the wild, somehow managing to maintain enough cells to generate something that barely resembles an existence.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Oct 19 8.16pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Nope ,deal with it, we all have our faults, Yours is being pathetic, not your fault. Everyone has faults, we can certainly agree on that. It's the ones that have the ability to address them but choose not to that are truly pathetic. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 18 Oct 19 8.16pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Nope ,deal with it, we all have our faults,
Yours is being pathetic, not your fault.

Everyone has faults, we can certainly agree on that. It's the ones that have the ability to address them but choose not to that are truly pathetic.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Oct 19 8.23pm
Originally posted by silvertop I'm gonna say this once. If BJ gets this over the line and we - at least technically - leave before the end of the month the Tories will regroup and keep power for some time. BJ will have earned it. Labour will implode as all their factions combust corbyn gets ousted and the moderate parliamentary party spend the next 5 years in opposition wrestling power from the fruitloop left. Meanwhile the lib dems moment will have gone and they will disappear into the political abyss. That said things wont go entirely as the ultra right posters on here would hope. BJ works for BJ and he cannot continue to operate as a voice for the ERG and the rest of the swivel eyed loons. They will have served their purpose and will be conveniently sidelined as he pursues an esssentially liberal agenda. Those hoping that leaving will result in the working population moving into a low wage zero hours market living purely to pay taxes to fund their generous pensions and other benefits will be sorely disappointed. Immigration will be bearly touched as most of the economic migrants you detest are non EU and the issue was never free movement or laissez faire regulations but our under resourced sieve like border controls. That issue will grumble on. There is also the risk that us remoaners were right all along and that our predictions of doom were not just project fear. Sadly unless a sensible centrist labour party emerges thank of effective opposition will mean more years of hung parliaments and political stasis. One thing is certain - none of the other 27 would be dondaft as to follow our lead unless there is a clear and obvious surge in our economy and living standards. Mostly agree with this. Still pretty sure that the negative effect won't be as bad as predicted with a deal. Potentially will be a bit of a rebound for the first few quarters as everyone realises that they can commit to the economy again, then after that bounce we'll see the reality. Ironically if there is going to be a recession the bounce might help us fight against it. It's the period after that that I am most interested in, once everything has settled. Then we'll see who was right/wrong – will the EU have collapsed by then? No. Will we be outperforming the big countries? Maybe, maybe not. A lot of unknowns Keen for a points system on immigration though. But pretty sure the govt will find a way around it being too restrictive, so might make negligible difference to the figures in the long run. Maybe a 5 year period of decline before they think, right, we've held on long enough, let's turn it back up again. Otherwise growth will stagnate. Same old smoke and mirrors... Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 18 Oct 19 8.23pm

Originally posted by silvertop

One thing is certain - none of the other 27 would be dondaft as to follow our lead unless there is a clear and obvious surge in our economy and living standards.

Mostly agree with this. Still pretty sure that the negative effect won't be as bad as predicted with a deal. Potentially will be a bit of a rebound for the first few quarters as everyone realises that they can commit to the economy again, then after that bounce we'll see the reality. Ironically if there is going to be a recession the bounce might help us fight against it. It's the period after that that I am most interested in, once everything has settled. Then we'll see who was right/wrong – will the EU have collapsed by then? No. Will we be outperforming the big countries? Maybe, maybe not. A lot of unknowns

Keen for a points system on immigration though. But pretty sure the govt will find a way around it being too restrictive, so might make negligible difference to the figures in the long run. Maybe a 5 year period of decline before they think, right, we've held on long enough, let's turn it back up again. Otherwise growth will stagnate. Same old smoke and mirrors...

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 10.45pm
Originally posted by susmik What has that got to do with my posts? I suggest that you DO get back in your box Wissy and keep your head down....really low! Are you suffering from dementia? Go back to your own posts of a month or two ago and read the stupid claims you were making about the future development of the EU that you said were in the Lisbon Treaty. As several posters then pointed out these are all nonsense conspiracy theories bereft of fact. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 10.45pm

Originally posted by susmik

What has that got to do with my posts? I suggest that you DO get back in your box Wissy and keep your head down....really low!

Are you suffering from dementia?

Go back to your own posts of a month or two ago and read the stupid claims you were making about the future development of the EU that you said were in the Lisbon Treaty. As several posters then pointed out these are all nonsense conspiracy theories bereft of fact.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 10.50pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I thought that we were all duped by Mr Putin Do you actually read my posts or just make assumptions about them? I have noticed several instances recently where you are hugely distorting what I say. It helps if you read things in full. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 10.50pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I thought that we were all duped by Mr Putin

Do you actually read my posts or just make assumptions about them?

I have noticed several instances recently where you are hugely distorting what I say.

It helps if you read things in full.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 11.01pm
Originally posted by cryrst Do you not think it could be the emotional link to the UK that caused leavers to vote leave. I doubt many would be rubbing their hands together with a glee that 'good old blighty' will be independent and on it's own; like 100s of years ago, aside from the fact that we are all thick. BTW Do you know what the EU had planned for the next four years or so. I think your clutching at straws about this. It does seem like a bit of tarring of leavers as far right nationalist bigoted individuals. Its loaded dan and steeleye, fill your boots. What has that got to do with the question I asked? An actual answer rather than more of the same old self justification might take us forward. I would though be interested to know what you think the EU has planned for the next four years. Once that's known we can check it for truth and if untrue try to see where the fake story has come from, For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 19 11.01pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What has that got to do with the question I asked?

An actual answer rather than more of the same old self justification might take us forward.

I would though be interested to know what you think the EU has planned for the next four years. Once that's known we can check it for truth and if untrue try to see where the fake story has come from,

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 18 Oct 19 11.33pm
Originally posted by silvertop I'm gonna say this once. If BJ gets this over the line and we - at least technically - leave before the end of the month the Tories will regroup and keep power for some time. BJ will have earned it. Labour will implode as all their factions combust corbyn gets ousted and the moderate parliamentary party spend the next 5 years in opposition wrestling power from the fruitloop left. Meanwhile the lib dems moment will have gone and they will disappear into the political abyss. That said things wont go entirely as the ultra right posters on here would hope. BJ works for BJ and he cannot continue to operate as a voice for the ERG and the rest of the swivel eyed loons. They will have served their purpose and will be conveniently sidelined as he pursues an esssentially liberal agenda. Those hoping that leaving will result in the working population moving into a low wage zero hours market living purely to pay taxes to fund their generous pensions and other benefits will be sorely disappointed. Immigration will be bearly touched as most of the economic migrants you detest are non EU and the issue was never free movement or laissez faire regulations but our under resourced sieve like border controls. That issue will grumble on. There is also the risk that us remoaners were right all along and that our predictions of doom were not just project fear. Sadly unless a sensible centrist labour party emerges thank of effective opposition will mean more years of hung parliaments and political stasis. One thing is certain - none of the other 27 would be dondaft as to follow our lead unless there is a clear and obvious surge in our economy and living standards. Good post, which is a rarity on this thread.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 18 Oct 19 11.33pm

Originally posted by silvertop

One thing is certain - none of the other 27 would be dondaft as to follow our lead unless there is a clear and obvious surge in our economy and living standards.

Good post, which is a rarity on this thread.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 18 Oct 19 11.35pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Amazing that the remoaners always said voters can change their mind but then get angry when politicians do. I'll enjoy my gammon tonight xx The knots people will tie themselves in to claim a ‘win’ is quite something. Boris changed his mind, I’m sure.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 18 Oct 19 11.35pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Amazing that the remoaners always said voters can change their mind but then get angry when politicians do.

I'll enjoy my gammon tonight xx

The knots people will tie themselves in to claim a ‘win’ is quite something.

Boris changed his mind, I’m sure.

Spiderman Horsham 19 Oct 19 7.25am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What has that got to do with the question I asked? An actual answer rather than more of the same old self justification might take us forward. I would though be interested to know what you think the EU has planned for the next four years. Once that's known we can check it for truth and if untrue try to see where the fake story has come from, How are you going to do that? Are you in the EU "inner circle" and know everything they plan (some of which may not even have been discussed yet) or will it be if you don't agree with it it can't be true?

Spiderman

Horsham 19 Oct 19 7.25am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What has that got to do with the question I asked?

An actual answer rather than more of the same old self justification might take us forward.

How are you going to do that? Are you in the EU "inner circle" and know everything they plan (some of which may not even have been discussed yet) or will it be if you don't agree with it it can't be true?

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