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 Spiderman  Horsham 22 Feb 20 9.52am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am sorry if I come over that way. As I am often fighting on my own against a tide of contrary opinion I find I need to express myself forcefully to avoid being drowned. [b]No. The Euro was a big step too far which we were wise to avoid. But your buddies in the EU think it is marvellous as did many MPs here including arch remainer Ken Clarke
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| Stirlingsays 22 Feb 20 10.18am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
So what is a referendum then? Why have one if the result means nothing?? Brexit is happening whether you like it or not...I said loser because that is what you are....remain 48% Leave 52% so remain LOST!! Maths not your strong point is it?? 48 is smaller than 52 in most peoples world, not in truro apparently....Think you should realise that a football forum isnt the place to spout your views on politics, there are more suitable places to do this....try your Labour websites, write to Jeremy, he may be interested,..Goodbye loser! PS sorry for being juvenile, there you are talking down to people who dont share your views...how grown up of you! Edited by the silurian (22 Feb 2020 8.13am) He loves it, essentially it's why he's here. There are plenty of forums where his views are supported but look where you find him.
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| davenotamonkey 22 Feb 20 10.55am |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
The facts: an all-powerful president, responsible for initiating legislation to push a core agenda of "ever closer union" will use the EU "Treaties" (the constitution renamed) to strip veto powers of nation states, as indicated here for taxation: [Tweet Link]
Don't forget - taxation is meant to be a national competence: one that individual "member states" decide on themselves. You see above her CLEAR intent to take that power So - an EU president, voted through (barely) on a ballot paper of ONE candidate, is using her powers to: 1. Ratchet away powers that should be decided by national parliaments, into the juris of the EU But don't worry! Defense is a national competence. No way they'll come for that! The EU wouldn't dream of pushing for powers over defense and military, would they? It's not like they've already started, right? If you EU-acolytes can't see the writing on the wall by now, there is no chance for you. Just remember the previous president's mantra: "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties" Tick-tock. 35 hours until we leave the EU. Thank God. LOL. The slippery slope to superstate just got a little steeper. I wonder when they'll just level with the populace and ask them if they want to be subsumed under the next European empire? Thank f**k we're out. [Tweet Link]
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 22 Feb 20 11.04am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
This is total bs. I worked with a chap who was Ghanaian, a competitive body builder, so not to be argued with. I was mentoring him when someone called him "that coloured man". He got angry, not because of the comment but because he classed himself as black not coloured. His actual words were "I am a black man". I was always told calling a black person coloured was racist and spending a lot of my early life growing up in Brixton black people did take offence being called coloured. WB probably never lived in a predominantly ethnic area so maybe a bit naive.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 20 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
We have, for too long, acted as a brake on the EU's aspiration for all-Europe domination over every single aspect of life. Consequently, we were viewed as the "awkward troublesome member", whilst other countries (the Netherlands, for example) happily hid behind us knowing we'd voice our objections on their behalf. Why spend political capital vetoing something you hate when the UK will do it anyway? This was especially true in EU budget "negotiations", and we're now seeing the new dynamic of some countries resisting spiraling contributions and being labelled "Un-European" just as we were. Look at the reaction to the Swedish PM saying the "EU wasn't his priority", as he'd rather spend the additional money they are asking from him on (shock!) his own country. Bless little Leo wailing about how Irish contributions are going up, and he gets less out of them. Yes, there's always been a fight for the EU trough, but now it's much more open, as there is no longer the UK pariah state to huddle behind. Now it's tome for them to either put up or shut up. Meekly accept ratcheting away of national powers, previously reserved areas, veto rights, money, legal jurisdiction.... or actually start playing tough with the Brussels mafia. Good post I suggested this might happen a while back. As you state we were the whipping boys of Europe and whilst other countries agreed with us on some things they were content to hide behind Britannia's skirts and let us take the flack. Now that we are gone they have either to put up or shut up. I suspect that in years to come we will not be the only bad boys of the EU.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 20 3.55pm |
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More of the same: EU meeting fails to agree budget What a surprise France gets more money for its farmers!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 20 5.52pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by mr. apollo
It's done .. get on with it. I just hope I don't have long queues trying to get through passport control coming home to Switzerland. Mr Apollo you make a significant contribution to this site which is appreciated by many including myself. Might I gently point out that Switzerland is not in the EU and as such controls it's own borders although it has a special arrangement with the EU. If passport control becomes an inconvenience for the UK citizen then that is the decision of the Swiss government. Keep up the good work.
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mr. apollo  Somewhere in Switzerland 22 Feb 20 6.25pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Badger11
Mr Apollo you make a significant contribution to this site which is appreciated by many including myself. Might I gently point out that Switzerland is not in the EU and as such controls it's own borders although it has a special arrangement with the EU. If passport control becomes an inconvenience for the UK citizen then that is the decision of the Swiss government. Keep up the good work. Thanks for the kind words, but at the moment there are two passport lines, Swiss and EU citizens and the rest of the world which is always very slow. My point being was that maybe the Brexit thread should become the post Brexit thread, and I tried to add some humour to it. If anyone is looking for a tune pleae don't hesitate to ping me on the mp3 thread, fastracked for UK citizens....
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 20 6.51pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by mr. apollo
Thanks for the kind words, but at the moment there are two passport lines, Swiss and EU citizens and the rest of the world which is always very slow. My point being was that maybe the Brexit thread should become the post Brexit thread, and I tried to add some humour to it. If anyone is looking for a tune pleae don't hesitate to ping me on the mp3 thread, fastracked for UK citizens.... I think you have a point maybe the Mods should close that and tell us to use this one. just now I thought I heard a politician say that we have done a deal with the Swiss over passports so this may go away.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 20 7.43pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by ASCPFC
Has travel already changed for UK citizens or is that all to be worked out in whatever deal is done? Nothing should change until the end of the year. After which the EU has said that UK citizens will be required to obtain a visa which will last for 2 years and is valid for any EU country. It will be electronic like an ESTA and probably cost about £10 it is a short term visa. However this may get negotiated away ? I am not sure what the UK equivalent will be.
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| chris123 hove actually 22 Feb 20 8.49pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'The Post Brexit Thread' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Brexit. So last year(s). Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2020 6.40pm) Causing some EU budgeting problems apparently.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Feb 20 8.57pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
When you were refered to as a bigot, you said it would make you feel at home here, thus implying there were many bigots on the site.....you just like stirring s*** on here dont you? Back I go to ignoring you, trying to debate with you is like arguing with porridge...you only ever see one side of the argument...YOURS!! There are many bigots on this site. Just not everybody is one. Always your choice on whether you wish to answer anything I write as is your opinion of my opinions or of me. It is of no consequence to me at all.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Feb 20 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
So what is a referendum then? Why have one if the result means nothing?? Brexit is happening whether you like it or not...I said loser because that is what you are....remain 48% Leave 52% so remain LOST!! Maths not your strong point is it?? 48 is smaller than 52 in most peoples world, not in truro apparently....Think you should realise that a football forum isnt the place to spout your views on politics, there are more suitable places to do this....try your Labour websites, write to Jeremy, he may be interested,..Goodbye loser! PS sorry for being juvenile, there you are talking down to people who dont share your views...how grown up of you! Edited by the silurian (22 Feb 2020 8.13am) What the 2016 referendum meant depends on your own perspective. As a referendum can mean many things to many people in many different circumstances it's probably easier to say what it cannot be in our representative Parliamentary democracy. It cannot be binding. Only Parliament makes law. Not governments and not referendums. The fact that the result was so close, but that the then government "promised" to respect it (a promise they had no right to make because the implementation was not in their hands), created a mountain of problems. No-one "won" or "lost" the referendum because nothing depended on it. Some politicians decided to accept it, others didn't but the responsibility and power of act always lay in their hands. The fact that there was a small majority in favour of leaving mattered more to some, whilst the way it was done, the lying, propaganda and Russian interference mattered more. Parliament had the opportunity to take another course but only did not because of Corbyn failing to put the national interest before personal ambition. So we are we we are. I don't talk down to anyone. I just say it as it is.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Feb 20 10.06pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
This is total bs. I worked with a chap who was Ghanaian, a competitive body builder, so not to be argued with. I was mentoring him when someone called him "that coloured man". He got angry, not because of the comment but because he classed himself as black not coloured. His actual words were "I am a black man". Yes I would criticise his views but not him because they are held by almost everyone. I realise I am probably a pioneer. The fact that these are commonly used descriptions doesn't mean they are wise. The fact that anyone has a black, or white, skin says absolutely nothing at all about them as people. It is a meaningless description which groups people into irrelevant tribes. There are just more accurate ways to group people and we need to start to use them as the current way is making things worse and not better.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 22 Feb 20 10.08pm |
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I assume the polish blue passport amusement has already been covered off
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