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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Jul 20 11.29am

Originally posted by doombear

Conspiracy theories - bring them on! They're more fun than the dross we've been watching for much of the season.

These are generating more interest than our game against Tottenham!

I have had a number of phone calls today to the extent that I have had to place my phone in 'Vibrate' mode due to the fact that the incessant ringtones have raised the hackles of my dear wife! I have advised her to go out with her mask and do some shopping!!

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 24 Jul 20 11.35am

Originally posted by PatrickA

You would hope the club would already have a managerial plan in place for the new season.
It’s only around 6 weeks away after all.
Perhaps Hodgson was offered a 1 year deal as an ‘insurance policy’ in case we couldn’t get a preferred candidate this summer.
Even though Sorloth, Meyer and Riedewald have not set the world alight when featuring it may be that some at the club question why this is the case.
They could also have a concern that a similar pattern may emerge with young new signings under Hodgson and are questioning whether it’s a risk they want to take.

The signings of the like of McCarthy and Kouyate, would, after a season of ineffective performances, make one think twice about getting the chequebook out for this particular manager and save it for the next one.


Edited by southnorwoodhill (24 Jul 2020 1.49pm)

 

Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 24 Jul 20 11.36am

Originally posted by jeeagles



The only manager with a massive net outlay on players was BFS
. Roy inherited all those players 6 months later.

I think the issue with between Roy and Parish is clear.

A friend of my flatmate came round last night. She was upset that her boyfriend of quite some time only meets her once a week and won't invest more in their relationship. She keeps giving him one more chance, he agrees to everything then does nothing. She keeps going round for their once a week visit. The worst that can happen for him is that she walks off, and he doesn't like her that much anyway so no bit loss for him. Otherwise, he keeps getting an easy shag every Wednesday without having to lift a finger... she also likes going to Palace matches so I might give cucking her number (although she is quite annoyiong).

Anyway,

Roy keeps keeping us up, which is what Parish wants, he keeps asking for investment, Parish keeps saying no becuase he doesn't really want to invest in Roy. The worst that will happen for Parish is the Roy will walk. He can then bring someone new in knowing he's saved up some cash for transfers to entice a decent manager in. Repeat every couple of years.

Good point and is the issue of our transfer spending in a nutshell. Why haven't we spent these sums this season ? After all we completed our biggest transfer ever with AWB. Okay, if the money is now servicing debt, how much debt do we have now and will this continue ? Next window will be crucial as it will become very clear where we are financially.

 


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PatrickA Flag London 24 Jul 20 12.45pm

Just had a look at another Palace fans forum that is running a poll on whether Hodgson should stay or go.
It’s currently running at an even split with 41 saying stay and 41 saying leave.
In a strange way something of a tribute to Hodgson as after 7 straight defeats you would expect the average football fan to normally be calling for the manager’s head.

 

jeeagles Flag 24 Jul 20 1.38pm

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Good point and is the issue of our transfer spending in a nutshell. Why haven't we spent these sums this season ? After all we completed our biggest transfer ever with AWB. Okay, if the money is now servicing debt, how much debt do we have now and will this continue ? Next window will be crucial as it will become very clear where we are financially.

When a manger only has a year left, no responsible chairman would open the cheque book for them, particulary with Roy's history in the transfer market.

 

Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 24 Jul 20 1.50pm

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Good point and is the issue of our transfer spending in a nutshell. Why haven't we spent these sums this season ? After all we completed our biggest transfer ever with AWB. Okay, if the money is now servicing debt, how much debt do we have now and will this continue ? Next window will be crucial as it will become very clear where we are financially.

Think people are missing the realities of football financing. We were able to sign players in the past because we could buy now but pay based on future incomes. We did that to secure premiership status but it is not sustainable. Eventually you run out of future incomes to use as securities. With no extra investment (US owners) coming in we have very little to spend. When we came up the glass for our capacity to do this was empty. Over the years we have filled up that capacity to the point where the glass is full.

 

A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 24 Jul 20 11.31pm

Also which new quality players want to pay negativity football under Roy?

Why have the players not been performing well?
Well he has said they are too old for the Premier and we need younger players, how motivating is that for the senior squad, when they know they a re needed to be phased out. Roy maybe you are too old for the present "Premier League" too?

And please tell what coach is coming to teach the younger players, because as as far i have researched its a long time ago Roy had time/taught younger players?

Originally posted by jeeagles

When a manger only has a year left, no responsible chairman would open the cheque book for them, particulary with Roy's history in the transfer market.

 

Den1923 Flag 25 Jul 20 7.12am

Originally posted by jeeagles

When a manger only has a year left, no responsible chairman would open the cheque book for them, particulary with Roy's history in the transfer market.

What’s Is Roy history in the transfer markets?

 

PatrickA Flag London 25 Jul 20 7.54am

I think this thread is coming to an end as I’m convinced he’s staying - even if there were to be 8 consecutive defeats.
We’re only 6 weeks away from a new season and Hodgson seems fully on board for the planning.
He has said the club are looking for younger players in the attacking areas with the defence not being a priority as we’re well covered in this area and have signed Ferguson already.
The only concern may be that he said the club are looking at young players to ‘initially understudy ‘ the senior players I.e to improve strength in depth.
I think we’re crying out for an immediate injection of pace into the side and would like a couple of players who could go straight into the team.

 

kev64 Flag Cambs 25 Jul 20 8.19am

We really just need to hope Brentford miss out then just swap squads and grounds .. how did Brentford get a new Stadium built in Kew for 71 million.

 

Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 25 Jul 20 9.41am

Originally posted by kev64

We really just need to hope Brentford miss out then just swap squads and grounds .. how did Brentford get a new Stadium built in Kew for 71 million.

I was ignorant of this. Now checking I see it has a capacity of just 17,500. Perhaps that was the limit of their budget but it does indicate a lack of ambition to me.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jul 20 9.52am

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

I was ignorant of this. Now checking I see it has a capacity of just 17,500. Perhaps that was the limit of their budget but it does indicate a lack of ambition to me.

From my humble perspective, moving from an old stadium with a capacity of around 12,700 to a brand new purpose built stadium with an increased capacity does not indicate any dearth of ambition.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 25 Jul 20 9.53am

Originally posted by jeeagles

When a manger only has a year left, no responsible chairman would open the cheque book for them, particulary with Roy's history in the transfer market.

You could argue that no responsible chairman would have offered the manager a 12 month deal given that the squad overhaul needed is going to take longer than that.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Jul 20 10.08am

Originally posted by NEILLO

You could argue that no responsible chairman would have offered the manager a 12 month deal given that the squad overhaul needed is going to take longer than that.

Completely agree - with such an overhaul of the playing squad needed, it doesn’t make sense to force yourself into a managerial change midway through it.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 25 Jul 20 10.13am

A few articles floating around news now at the moment. In short we appear to have a manager on a one year contract who wants to bring more experienced players into the team despite it being the oldest in the league, a chairman who wants to bring youth into the team and a star player who has told his manager he wants to leave on numerous occasions and the manager appears quite happy to chat about it.

You just know this recipe ain’t going to end well.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 25 Jul 20 10.18am

The 12 month business is probably about Roy's age and whether he will feel up to it 12 months hence. I suspect SP will be happy to keep extending for 12 months whilst ever Roy feels he can continue to do the job. In other words, if it looks like we will survive next season and Roy still feels he can do the job, expect another 12 month extension agreed next Spring.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 25 Jul 20 10.22am

Originally posted by doombear

The 12 month business is probably about Roy's age and whether he will feel up to it 12 months hence. I suspect SP will be happy to keep extending for 12 months whilst ever Roy feels he can continue to do the job. In other words, if it looks like we will survive next season and Roy still feels he can do the job, expect another 12 month extension agreed next Spring.

Thanks, that possibility really cheered up my rainy Saturday morning!

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 25 Jul 20 10.32am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Thanks, that possibility really cheered up my rainy Saturday morning!


Sorry, Eaglecoops. I'm neither pro nor anti Hodgson. I just love the Palace and whilst ever we are in the megadosh league, I'll take what it takes to stay there. By the way, it's nice and sunny here in Brum!

Let me correct that last statement. It WAS nice and sunny here; it's now pi$$ing it down. Hope that cheers you up Eaglecoops.

Edited by doombear (25 Jul 2020 11.07am)

 

kev64 Flag Cambs 25 Jul 20 12.24pm

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

I was ignorant of this. Now checking I see it has a capacity of just 17,500. Perhaps that was the limit of their budget but it does indicate a lack of ambition to me.

Well let’s face it 17,500 is about what we will achieve in the Championship.

Serious ? Brentford a lack of ambition, a brand new stadium, excellent scouting set up, have made progression despite selling the best players every year for handsome profits.

After 9 years of PL money we had to sell AWB to cover our losses, we have a picture of a stand that won’t get built a bang average ageing squad with one sellable player and two Sakho and Tekkers that have leached us the best part of 80 million (or the cost of a new Stadium in Kew).

 

rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 25 Jul 20 1.58pm

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Well let’s face it 17,500 is about what we will achieve in the Championship.

Serious ? Brentford a lack of ambition, a brand new stadium, excellent scouting set up, have made progression despite selling the best players every year for handsome profits.

After 9 years of PL money we had to sell AWB to cover our losses, we have a picture of a stand that won’t get built a bang average ageing squad with one sellable player and two Sakho and Tekkers that have leached us the best part of 80 million (or the cost of a new Stadium in Kew).

Does make you wonder whether things have gone as well as we might have hoped after 9 years !

Edited by rob1969 (25 Jul 2020 1.59pm)

 

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