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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 19 11.13pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup shades of Ben (so not funny) Elton doing his stand up in the eighties which largely consisted of "Thatcher doncha hate her" and "aren't the Tories awful"

Most comedians will tell you they are anti establishment when they mean left wing. If your target audience is students and or a BBC studio audience then you are actually playing to the mainstream (in that room). Want to be brave try a routine where you ridicule Labour, Green party and vegans etc. if you can get them rolling in the aisles you deserve some respect.

What you find funny all depends on your own biases and prejudices. I have laughed at those who find the extremes of politics ridiculous on both sides of the aisle. I find hard line Brexiteers fair game for the extraction of urine, but equally so those who support Corbyn, and especially those who think organic food is better for you than anything else. (my pet area of nonsense). I have heard comedians perfectly able to get an audience in hysterics on both, because both have such obvious frailties.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Jun 19 12.04am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What you find funny all depends on your own biases and prejudices. I have laughed at those who find the extremes of politics ridiculous on both sides of the aisle. I find hard line Brexiteers fair game for the extraction of urine, but equally so those who support Corbyn, and especially those who think organic food is better for you than anything else. (my pet area of nonsense). I have heard comedians perfectly able to get an audience in hysterics on both, because both have such obvious frailties.

Be interesting to hear who these giants of mirth were?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 19 11.26am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Be interesting to hear who these giants of mirth were?

The first name that came to mind was Roy "chubby" Brown. He seems your sort of comedian.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Jun 19 1.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The first name that came to mind was Roy "chubby" Brown. He seems your sort of comedian.

Too be honest I find him coarse and unfunny but fair play if you like him.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 19 1.13pm

You have Wisbech's view of the BBC on bias and then you have people who have worked in the BBC for decades and their views on the BBC.

Of the now several books on the problems with the BBC on bias I recommend the 'The Noble Liar: How and Why the BBC Distorts the News to Promote a Liberal Agenda' by Robin Aitken, a man who worked for the BBC for 25 years as a reporter and executive,

Unlike the nonsense Wisbech's waffles I doubt you will find many books written complaining about the BBC's imagined right wing bias.

[Link]


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2019 9.59pm)

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 17 Jun 19 9.58pm

So, interested in US politics but cant be bothered to read the Mueller report?

Watch this 30 min summary by PBS.

[Link]

Seems to be a something burger.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 19 10.05pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

So, interested in US politics but cant be bothered to read the Mueller report?

Watch this 30 min summary by PBS.

[Link]

Seems to be a something burger.


Well, you've been buying that nothing burger for so long you've grown attached to the imaginary taste.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Jun 19 10.33pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

So, interested in US politics but cant be bothered to read the Mueller report?

Watch this 30 min summary by PBS.

[Link]

Seems to be a something burger.

PBS? No bias there then.....

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 17 Jun 19 10.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The first name that came to mind was Roy "chubby" Brown. He seems your sort of comedian.

Love it when people get a case of comedy snobbery.

"Your sort of comedian" lol

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 19 11.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have Wisbech's view of the BBC on bias and then you have people who have worked in the BBC for decades and their views on the BBC.

Of the now several books on the problems with the BBC on bias I recommend the 'The Noble Liar: How and Why the BBC Distorts the News to Promote a Liberal Agenda' by Robin Aitken, a man who worked for the BBC for 25 years as a reporter and executive,

Unlike the nonsense Wisbech's waffles I doubt you will find many books written complaining about the BBC's imagined right wing bias.

[Link]


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2019 9.59pm)

Anyone with a particular bias can write a book from a biased perspective. As Aitken is in the same camp as the hard right contributors in these threads it is totally unsurprising that the book he writes meets with their approval and that it's conclusions are similar. That doesn't mean he is right! It just means he has an opinion.

The fact that he previously worked for the BBC doesn't change that. In fact it confirms that not all the journalists at the BBC hold "liberal" views doesn't it?

I have never suggested that the BBC has a right wing bias! All I have suggested is that the perception that they have a left wing bias is just that. A perception held by those whose own opinions are on the right.

They have well designed structures and controls that demand objectivity from their journalists, whatever their personal political views might be, most of which, quite rightly, we will never know.

All the moaning and wailing from the right about how unfairly they are treated by the BBC is resonant of Trump's treatment of the media in the USA.

This must never be allowed to get a toehold here because down that path is a very dark place.

Improve the controls. Make them more transparent if you wish. Allow citizens access to the decision making processes. Ensure that the BBC Governors include all shades of political opinion. But never try to compromise their freedom from political interference or their ability to provide us with the truth as they see it.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 19 11.35pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Love it when people get a case of comedy snobbery.

"Your sort of comedian" lol

No snobbery involved. It's just that as his comedy is pretty hard right and politically incorrect I assumed he would find favour.

I just find him funny because I don't think he actually means it and his antics are often a send up both of himself and those he appears to support. Although, to be fair, it's been quite a while since I have watched anything from him.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 19 11.50pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Anyone with a particular bias can write a book from a biased perspective. As Aitken is in the same camp as the hard right contributors in these threads it is totally unsurprising that the book he writes meets with their approval and that it's conclusions are similar. That doesn't mean he is right! It just means he has an opinion.

The fact that he previously worked for the BBC doesn't change that. In fact it confirms that not all the journalists at the BBC hold "liberal" views doesn't it?

I have never suggested that the BBC has a right wing bias! All I have suggested is that the perception that they have a left wing bias is just that. A perception held by those whose own opinions are on the right.

They have well designed structures and controls that demand objectivity from their journalists, whatever their personal political views might be, most of which, quite rightly, we will never know.

All the moaning and wailing from the right about how unfairly they are treated by the BBC is resonant of Trump's treatment of the media in the USA.

This must never be allowed to get a toehold here because down that path is a very dark place.

Improve the controls. Make them more transparent if you wish. Allow citizens access to the decision making processes. Ensure that the BBC Governors include all shades of political opinion. But never try to compromise their freedom from political interference or their ability to provide us with the truth as they see it.

'Toehold'

You are a minority voice in the Tory community and especially its grass roots. Your opinion must never be allowed to 'get a toehold'......Not like there's much chance of that thankfully.

Honestly you are so deluded that answering your posts on here just feels like I should be receiving payment for psychiatric work.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2019 11.50pm)

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 18 Jun 19 12.13am

Originally posted by Jimenez

PBS? No bias there then.....

Did you bother to watch it?

Its basically reading out parts of the report.

Reading out loud tends to be neutral.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Jun 19 12.25am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Did you bother to watch it?

Its basically reading out parts of the report.

Reading out loud tends to be neutral.

Anything but. Tone, inflection and intonation all have an effect.

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Jun 19 1.55am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

So, interested in US politics but cant be bothered to read the Mueller report?

Watch this 30 min summary by PBS.

[Link]

Seems to be a something burger.

LOL She say's right at the start of the broadcast 'That people don't always have time to read it' so we will.
Cue selected parts of the report.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 19 10.33am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'Toehold'

You are a minority voice in the Tory community and especially its grass roots. Your opinion must never be allowed to 'get a toehold'......Not like there's much chance of that thankfully.

Honestly you are so deluded that answering your posts on here just feels like I should be receiving payment for psychiatric work.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2019 11.50pm)

I rather think the delusion is all yours. I am not expressing an opinion as member of the "Tory community", especially the current one. I am expressing it as a British citizen concerned about the drift towards hard right politics and populist sentiment in the UK.

That some, like me, whose natural home was within the "sensible" wing of the Tory party are worried about the widening divide in British politics is not delusional at all. It is there in plain sight.

How people on that wing coalesce with those on the right of the Labour party and others whose politics stand on the firm ground of the centre remains to be seen but coalesce they must to ensure that we don't follow the disaster that has engulfed the USA in the last 2 years. Hopefully the USA will come to it's senses and recover from that but I would much prefer that we avoided it altogether.

As I have told you many times you neither need to read my posts nor answer them. That is entirely your choice. I will though make my points as I see fit. As psychiatrists, by the way, should never be judgemental you would make an exceptionally bad one, so I doubt if your earning capacity in that field would amount to much.

So I suggest you stick to posting nasty hard right opinions on rather obscure web forums for you cannot cause much harm that way.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Jun 2019 10.47am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jun 19 10.49am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I rather think the delusion is all yours. I am not expressing an opinion as member of the "Tory community", especially the current one. I am expressing it as a British citizen concerned about the drift towards hard right politics and populist sentiment in the UK.

That some, like me, whose natural home was within the "sensible" wing of the Tory party are worried about the widening divide in British politics is not delusional at all. It is there in plain sight.

How people on that wing coalesce with those on the right of the Labour party and others whose politics stand on the firm ground of the centre remains to be seen but coalesce they must to ensure that we don't follow the disaster that has engulfed the USA in the last 2 years. Hopefully the USA will come to it's senses and recover from that but I would much prefer that we avoided it altogether.

As I have told you many times you neither need to read my posts nor answer them. That is entirely your choice. I will though make my points and ignore your rather silly attempts at insults. As psychiatrists, by the way, should never be judgemental you would make an exceptionally bad one, so I doubt if your earning capacity in that field would amount to much.

So I suggest you stick to posting nasty hard right opinions on rather obscure web forums for you cannot cause much harm that way.

Your suggestions and opinions are neither of note nor will be acted upon.

I have nothing but the frequent hope that everything you fear comes to pass and in some matters I know they will as they are a direct consequence to your type of politics......which you laughably describe as being of the centre.

I find you disingenuous and deluded in equal measure and as you continue to reply to me, despite being politely asked to desist from that, I will continue to treat you how that behaviour deserves until I can block you.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Jun 19 11.11am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I rather think the delusion is all yours. I am not expressing an opinion as member of the "Tory community", especially the current one. I am expressing it as a British citizen concerned about the drift towards hard right politics and populist sentiment in the UK.

That some, like me, whose natural home was within the "sensible" wing of the Tory party are worried about the widening divide in British politics is not delusional at all. It is there in plain sight.

How people on that wing coalesce with those on the right of the Labour party and others whose politics stand on the firm ground of the centre remains to be seen but coalesce they must to ensure that we don't follow the disaster that has engulfed the USA in the last 2 years. Hopefully the USA will come to it's senses and recover from that but I would much prefer that we avoided it altogether.

As I have told you many times you neither need to read my posts nor answer them. That is entirely your choice. I will though make my points as I see fit. As psychiatrists, by the way, should never be judgemental you would make an exceptionally bad one, so I doubt if your earning capacity in that field would amount to much.

So I suggest you stick to posting nasty hard right opinions on rather obscure web forums for you cannot cause much harm that way.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Jun 2019 10.47am)


In what capacity do you see hard right policies in the UK.
What has happened in the USA in two years that is so bad.
The only thing I see is freedom of speech being shut down and the colleges and unis are the drivers of this with the help of left wing policies.
The jobless at its lowest for eons oh and stopping illegral immigrants.
That's not too bad surely.

 

Park Road Flag 18 Jun 19 11.51am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No snobbery involved. It's just that as his comedy is pretty hard right and politically incorrect I assumed he would find favour.

I just find him funny because I don't think he actually means it and his antics are often a send up both of himself and those he appears to support. Although, to be fair, it's been quite a while since I have watched anything from him.

Thinks he knows who my hero is, looks down on subculture - apparently people with too much money and time.
Now, knows what comedians people like.
Oh , and never wrong.

Snootiness, would be an understatement.

 

Maine Eagle Flag USA 18 Jun 19 12.11pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

LOL She say's right at the start of the broadcast 'That people don't always have time to read it' so we will.
Cue selected parts of the report.

Yes. People don’t have time and many want to deny what it says.

It’s called a summary.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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