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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Apr 24 9.26pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Possibly but not an idea I articulated.

No, but I'm putting it into context.

Iran are the scourge of the world. The USA probably tolerate them because it's less trouble than a major conflict.

Problem is, they are close to producing enough material for a nuclear missile.
Can you guess whose name it will have on it?

It might be that neutralising Iran could be the only option in the not too distant future.

 

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NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 15 Apr 24 5.55am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Stating the obvious doesn’t generally solve problems.

Diplomacy is only part of the way forward. The realisation that the attack has totally failed to find targets will be a lesson well learned. That should mean that diplomacy has a more fertile ground to grow in.

The first thing to try to achieve is calm and the resumption of a war of words as weapons, not drones and missiles. Then let the quiet diplomacy start. I listened to an American expert last night who made a lot of sense. He pointed out that constantly positioning Iran as a pariah and never rewarding them means they have nothing to lose. He was effectively recommending adopting a risk and reward strategy with them.

Perhaps that’s what, in time, we will see.


As you say, stating the obvious isn't a solution on its own. Just like diplomacy alone will not be effective because it does not address underlying issues or root causes of conflict.

Your mention of incentives for countries like Iran suggests that you may believe in the power of positive reinforcement.
Once again this doesn't work with the ideology of Islamic terrorists.


You blindly think of offering benefits or rewards for desirable behavior, you argue that it may be possible to encourage positive actions and discourage hostile or aggressive behavior. How many times does it need to be explained that, you're dealing with literally spoiled children and diplomacy does not work. It's either their way or no way.

I suggests that a combination of approaches, including military response if necessary, is needed to adequately address and resolve aggressive actions.
We should show that we will take no more nonsense and violence and murder from these people.

Relying solely on diplomacy in complex scenarios involving aggression and conflict, is only one option. a more comprehensive approach, encompassing a range of strategies and considering underlying motivations, grievances, and incentives, is necessary for effectively resolving such issues.

 

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NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 15 Apr 24 5.58am

Originally posted by steeleye20

UK jets now actively protecting Israel, what suckers.

Netanyahu expertly sucks in the west to his eternal war, it can never possibly be won, the Middle East is 95% Islamic.

I suspected our involvement from the start, there have been Israel military flights detected here and increased flights to Tel Aviv from Cyprus, and of course against the Houthis largely unsuccessfully.

I just hope that we are not on the ground in any way.

I am watching little Palestinian children queueing to have their identities tattooed on them, so if they do not make it through the night they will be able to be identified.

That is what we are now complicit in.


May I ask you your age. I only ask because the only two posts I have seen from you was one telling me to hang off a clock like Harold Lloyd, and now I've just read your childish dribble above are you old enough to even be on this site?

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Apr 24 7.57am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

May I ask you your age. I only ask because the only two posts I have seen from you was one telling me to hang off a clock like Harold Lloyd, and now I've just read your childish dribble above are you old enough to even be on this site?

I hardly ever agree with Steeleye, he is our resident lefty however he is a long term poster and entitled to his views.

He is also a useful source of information on youth and academy games and regularly updates the rest of us.

You have only been on this site for a couple of months and only seem to post on this thread. This is a football website and whilst I welcome all you might want to post a bit more on the football as Steeleye does.

Enjoy your day.

 


One more point

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NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 15 Apr 24 8.38am

Originally posted by Badger11

I hardly ever agree with Steeleye, he is our resident lefty however he is a long term poster and entitled to his views.

He is also a useful source of information on youth and academy games and regularly updates the rest of us.

You have only been on this site for a couple of months and only seem to post on this thread. This is a football website and whilst I welcome all you might want to post a bit more on the football as Steeleye does.

Enjoy your day.

It sounds like there's some diversity of opinion on the site, which can be healthy for discussions. Steeleye you say contributes valuable insights beyond just his political views, which is appreciated. And sure, I'll try to engage more broadly in football discussions going forward. Thanks for the reminder!

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 24 10.19am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER


As you say, stating the obvious isn't a solution on its own. Just like diplomacy alone will not be effective because it does not address underlying issues or root causes of conflict.

Your mention of incentives for countries like Iran suggests that you may believe in the power of positive reinforcement.
Once again this doesn't work with the ideology of Islamic terrorists.


You blindly think of offering benefits or rewards for desirable behavior, you argue that it may be possible to encourage positive actions and discourage hostile or aggressive behavior. How many times does it need to be explained that, you're dealing with literally spoiled children and diplomacy does not work. It's either their way or no way.

I suggests that a combination of approaches, including military response if necessary, is needed to adequately address and resolve aggressive actions.
We should show that we will take no more nonsense and violence and murder from these people.

Relying solely on diplomacy in complex scenarios involving aggression and conflict, is only one option. a more comprehensive approach, encompassing a range of strategies and considering underlying motivations, grievances, and incentives, is necessary for effectively resolving such issues.

My post was actually reporting what I had heard an American recommending. It was late on Friday evening as the attack was underway and regrettably I cannot recall his name but he clearly knew his stuff. From memory he was the Director of something like the “American and Arabia Institute” and had previously served in US administrations. So not my ideas. I suspect he was better informed than anyone here.

Cynically dismissing foreign leaders as children is not his view. He believes the Iranians have been very clever with their strategy and are not fools. He also believes they are pragmatic and will respond to positive suggestions without needing to compromise their principles. He was very critical of past US policy. Not of the need to offer help to defend Israel but in the lack of subtlety in dealing with Iran.

Any kind of military response by Israel would be calamitous, in my opinion. It is unnecessary. They made all the response needed on Friday night. Like someone facing a bully and avoiding all their blows by being quicker of thought and action, all that results is the bully running out of energy and ideas. There’s no need to punch the bully now. They know their aggression doesn’t work. Now’s the time to start talking.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Apr 24 10.23am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My post was actually reporting what I had heard an American recommending. It was late on Friday evening as the attack was underway and regrettably I cannot recall his name but he clearly knew his stuff. From memory he was the Director of something like the “American and Arabia Institute” and had previously served in US administrations. So not my ideas. I suspect he was better informed than anyone here.

Cynically dismissing foreign leaders as children is not his view. He believes the Iranians have been very clever with their strategy and are not fools. He also believes they are pragmatic and will respond to positive suggestions without needing to compromise their principles. He was very critical of past US policy. Not of the need to offer help to defend Israel but in the lack of subtlety in dealing with Iran.

Any kind of military response by Israel would be calamitous, in my opinion. It is unnecessary. They made all the response needed on Friday night. Like someone facing a bully and avoiding all their blows by being quicker of thought and action, all that results is the bully running out of energy and ideas. There’s no need to punch the bully now. They know their aggression doesn’t work. Now’s the time to start talking.

How comfortable are you with Iran making the bomb?

Are we perhaps caught between a rock and a hard place?

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 Apr 24 11.00am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

The fall-out with Iran has many facets.
*It is a reminder of how disjointed NATO has become since Russia's invasion exposed major weaknesses in the alliance. And how reliant the Western world is for "America to sort it"
*The tension in the Middle-east has always had its inflammatory periods. Why Israel should stir the pot so Brazenly, and expect everyone to back them is quite perplexing.
*It is a useful scenario to push the Palestinian slaughter/land-grab into the smaller columns of newspapers/media.

These are just things that spring to mind for me, but there are many others i have missed

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (15 Apr 2024 11.01am)

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Apr 24 11.29am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

It sounds like there's some diversity of opinion on the site, which can be healthy for discussions. Steeleye you say contributes valuable insights beyond just his political views, which is appreciated. And sure, I'll try to engage more broadly in football discussions going forward. Thanks for the reminder!

No worries I look forward to your football posts.

 


One more point

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 15 Apr 24 12.33pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

It sounds like there's some diversity of opinion on the site, which can be healthy for discussions. Steeleye you say contributes valuable insights beyond just his political views, which is appreciated. And sure, I'll try to engage more broadly in football discussions going forward. Thanks for the reminder!

Are there two Steeleyes?

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 24 1.51pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

May I ask you your age. I only ask because the only two posts I have seen from you was one telling me to hang off a clock like Harold Lloyd, and now I've just read your childish dribble above are you old enough to even be on this site?

In all fairness, ask a young person who Harold Lloyd is.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 24 5.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How comfortable are you with Iran making the bomb?

Are we perhaps caught between a rock and a hard place?[/quote

Are they or do some just want to scare us into thinking they are?

US and Israeli intelligence will know. You cannot hide such things or the tests needed.

If they are then neutralising the threat must be done but hopefully via forensic and strictly limited action, announced in advance and justified to everyone, including Iran, with the opportunity offered to dismantle under international supervision first.

 


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