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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Apr 24 6.34pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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Are they or do some just want to scare us into thinking they are?

US and Israeli intelligence will know. You cannot hide such things or the tests needed.

If they are then neutralising the threat must be done but hopefully via forensic and strictly limited action, announced in advance and justified to everyone, including Iran, with the opportunity offered to dismantle under international supervision first.

The consensus is that they are very close to a making a continental nuclear missile.

Allowing that to happen might be more dangerous than an all out attack on Iran. 75% of Iranians hate their government and would probably welcome regime change and a return to a more Westernised lifestyle.
The Russians and Chinese did nothing when we invaded Iraq and toppled Gaddafi, and I suspect they would do nothing if we fix the Iranian problem.

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The consensus is that they are very close to a making a continental nuclear missile.

Allowing that to happen might be more dangerous than an all out attack on Iran. 75% of Iranians hate their government and would probably welcome regime change and a return to a more Westernised lifestyle.
The Russians and Chinese did nothing when we invaded Iraq and toppled Gaddafi, and I suspect they would do nothing if we fix the Iranian problem.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Apr 2024 6.35pm)

A consensus of who? The 5 eyes security services or Fox News and the Daily Mail?

If there was a quiet agreement reached via diplomacy that all the major powers accepted that destroying any nuclear facilities was necessary then perhaps forensic strikes could be done, with advanced warnings to ensure minimum civilian casualties and collateral damage, with explanation to the people that this was ultimately in their best interests too.

Suspecting something so important isn’t enough.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

A consensus of who? The 5 eyes security services or Fox News and the Daily Mail?

If there was a quiet agreement reached via diplomacy that all the major powers accepted that destroying any nuclear facilities was necessary then perhaps forensic strikes could be done, with advanced warnings to ensure minimum civilian casualties and collateral damage, with explanation to the people that this was ultimately in their best interests too.

Suspecting something so important isn’t enough.

Well, I don't read the Daily Mail or watch Fox news, but I do think there is a good argument for removing one of the most troublesome regimes on the planet who funds terrorism which threatens our interests both home and abroad.

The practicality of such a move would be best judged by those with the bigger picture, and not by retirees sitting on their sofas.

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 16 Apr 24 5.36am Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

A consensus of who? The 5 eyes security services or Fox News and the Daily Mail?

If there was a quiet agreement reached via diplomacy that all the major powers accepted that destroying any nuclear facilities was necessary then perhaps forensic strikes could be done, with advanced warnings to ensure minimum civilian casualties and collateral damage, with explanation to the people that this was ultimately in their best interests too.

Suspecting something so important isn’t enough.

Historically, there have been reports and investigations indicating that Iran is pursuing a covert nuclear weapons program in the past, based on evidence such as procurement activities, enrichment activities, and suspicious facilities. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which is the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog, has investigated Iran's nuclear program and reported several instances of non-compliance in the past.

The JCPOA imposed strict limitations and enhanced monitoring on Iran's nuclear activities and allowed for intrusive inspections by the IAEA.

It is crucial to follow the assessments of expert organizations and international bodies, such as the IAEA, to gather a nuanced understanding of the status of Iran's nuclear program.

The newspapers just report the news.

 

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View NJ CLOCKTOWER's Profile NJ CLOCKTOWER Flag Tarragona 16 Apr 24 8.09am Send a Private Message to NJ CLOCKTOWER Add NJ CLOCKTOWER as a friend

As you can see the sensible Iranians stand with Israel...
They know the true horror an Islamic state country provides.

Meanwhile there are British people supporting terrorists. what a crazy mixed up world we live in...

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 24 9.05am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well, I don't read the Daily Mail or watch Fox news, but I do think there is a good argument for removing one of the most troublesome regimes on the planet who funds terrorism which threatens our interests both home and abroad.

The practicality of such a move would be best judged by those with the bigger picture, and not by retirees sitting on their sofas.

I don’t think anyone here is going to disagree with these sentiments. I certainly don’t. It’s the way to achieve them that is in dispute. Taking actions that ultimately make things worse doesn’t make sense, something that all the western world, other than the Israeli leadership, seems in agreement about. This retiree is pleased to see that and hopes their wise council bears fruit and that the religious hot heads in Israel don’t prevail.

The biggest problem I see is how to restrain two religious based regimes both fighting for their own survival, quite possibly trying to avoid jail or even losing their lives.

 


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Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

Historically, there have been reports and investigations indicating that Iran is pursuing a covert nuclear weapons program in the past, based on evidence such as procurement activities, enrichment activities, and suspicious facilities. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which is the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog, has investigated Iran's nuclear program and reported several instances of non-compliance in the past.

The JCPOA imposed strict limitations and enhanced monitoring on Iran's nuclear activities and allowed for intrusive inspections by the IAEA.

It is crucial to follow the assessments of expert organizations and international bodies, such as the IAEA, to gather a nuanced understanding of the status of Iran's nuclear program.

The newspapers just report the news.

I accept all of that, except the last line. Newspapers spin the news to meet their own agendas.

The question is not whether to restrain, but how. Developing nuclear facilities under international supervision and verification by open inspection is perfectly ok, so long as trust is watertight. Getting there has been the problem, so redoubling efforts now makes sense. Any hint of weapon development, let alone testing, should immediately carry universal international sanctions. This is where the world needs to speak with one voice. Whether they can is beyond my ability to predict.

In the meantime we need to calm and keep the lid on things. Regime change in both Iran and Israel would bring about a much safer situation.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I accept all of that, except the last line. Newspapers spin the news to meet their own agendas.

The question is not whether to restrain, but how. Developing nuclear facilities under international supervision and verification by open inspection is perfectly ok, so long as trust is watertight. Getting there has been the problem, so redoubling efforts now makes sense. Any hint of weapon development, let alone testing, should immediately carry universal international sanctions. This is where the world needs to speak with one voice. Whether they can is beyond my ability to predict.

In the meantime we need to calm and keep the lid on things. Regime change in both Iran and Israel would bring about a much safer situation.

Here is a summary of some of the evidence about Irans nuclear intervention that has been discussed in the past:

1. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Reports: The IAEA, the UN's nuclear watchdog, has conducted multiple inspections and produced reports on Iran's nuclear program. While not conclusive evidence of Iran's intention to produce nuclear weapons, some reports have outlined concerns about the possible military dimensions of Iran's nuclear activities.

2. Nuclear Programs and Uranium Enrichment: Iran has pursued a nuclear program and has publicly stated its intention to develop peaceful nuclear energy. However, some have raised concerns about Iran's level of uranium enrichment, which can be used for power generation but also for the production of weapons-grade uranium.

3. Documentation Seizures: In 2018, Israeli intelligence claimed to have seized thousands of documents from Iran that purportedly revealed an organized effort by the country to develop nuclear weapons before 2003. These documents are considered by some as evidence of past intentions, although Iran has dismissed them as fabricated.

4. Missile Development: Iran has also been developing ballistic missiles, which could potentially be used to deliver nuclear warheads. While missile development alone doesn't prove the existence of a nuclear weapons program, it has raised concerns among some nations regarding Iran's intentions.

Iran has, also, intentionally blocked investigations, to particular sites. You do not have to be highly intelligent to understand why!

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I accept all of that, except the last line. Newspapers spin the news to meet their own agendas.

The question is not whether to restrain, but how. Developing nuclear facilities under international supervision and verification by open inspection is perfectly ok, so long as trust is watertight. Getting there has been the problem, so redoubling efforts now makes sense. Any hint of weapon development, let alone testing, should immediately carry universal international sanctions. This is where the world needs to speak with one voice. Whether they can is beyond my ability to predict.

In the meantime we need to calm and keep the lid on things. Regime change in both Iran and Israel would bring about a much safer situation.

Trust and verification are crucial in addressing these concerns and ensuring that Iran's nuclear activities are peaceful. Efforts have been made to establish a comprehensive agreement that limits Iran's nuclear capabilities, provides regular inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and sets stringent verification mechanisms. Unfortunately, we are dealing with extremists with extremist views and I have already explained how it is impossible to use diplomacy in this way.

One such agreement was the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), signed in 2015 between Iran and the P5+1 countries (the United States, Russia, China, United Kingdom, France, and Germany). The JCPOA aimed to curb Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. The agreement included provisions for intrusive inspections and monitoring by the IAEA to ensure Iran's compliance. This has not deterred Iran from continuing its nuclear program.

However, the JCPOA faced challenges, particularly with regards to the United States' withdrawal from the agreement in 2018. The re-imposition of US sanctions on Iran and Iran's subsequent reduction of its commitments under the JCPOA further complicated the situation. This has created a diplomatic impasse and raised concerns about Iran's intentions and the effectiveness of the agreement.

International cooperation is essential in addressing the Iran nuclear issue. Efforts have been made by various countries and organizations to bring all parties back to the negotiating table and find a diplomatic solution. The goal is to ensure that Iran's nuclear program remains peaceful while easing economic sanctions and fostering stability in the region.

Parallel to diplomatic efforts, sanctions have been utilized as a tool to pressure Iran into complying with international obligations. These sanctions target Iran's economy, restricting its access to international markets and financial institutions. The effectiveness of sanctions in changing Iran's behavior remains a difficult challenge, mainly by the psyche of the people in power.

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Because nuclear monitoring worked well with North Korea, India and pakistan. The break-up of the USSR also assisted the wider distribution of weapons and information. Basically, anyone is capable of getting anything, if they have the cash.

 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Because nuclear monitoring worked well with North Korea, India and pakistan. The break-up of the USSR also assisted the wider distribution of weapons and information. Basically, anyone is capable of getting anything, if they have the cash.

Indeed. Also eBay wasn’t around in those days…

 


hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Originally posted by NJ CLOCKTOWER

Trust and verification are crucial in addressing these concerns and ensuring that Iran's nuclear activities are peaceful. Efforts have been made to establish a comprehensive agreement that limits Iran's nuclear capabilities, provides regular inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and sets stringent verification mechanisms. Unfortunately, we are dealing with extremists with extremist views and I have already explained how it is impossible to use diplomacy in this way.

One such agreement was the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), signed in 2015 between Iran and the P5+1 countries (the United States, Russia, China, United Kingdom, France, and Germany). The JCPOA aimed to curb Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. The agreement included provisions for intrusive inspections and monitoring by the IAEA to ensure Iran's compliance. This has not deterred Iran from continuing its nuclear program.

However, the JCPOA faced challenges, particularly with regards to the United States' withdrawal from the agreement in 2018. The re-imposition of US sanctions on Iran and Iran's subsequent reduction of its commitments under the JCPOA further complicated the situation. This has created a diplomatic impasse and raised concerns about Iran's intentions and the effectiveness of the agreement.

International cooperation is essential in addressing the Iran nuclear issue. Efforts have been made by various countries and organizations to bring all parties back to the negotiating table and find a diplomatic solution. The goal is to ensure that Iran's nuclear program remains peaceful while easing economic sanctions and fostering stability in the region.

Parallel to diplomatic efforts, sanctions have been utilized as a tool to pressure Iran into complying with international obligations. These sanctions target Iran's economy, restricting its access to international markets and financial institutions. The effectiveness of sanctions in changing Iran's behavior remains a difficult challenge, mainly by the psyche of the people in power.

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This isn’t new. What’s is, is the urgency to make it work and include every current nuclear power. Proliferation has to stop. Yes, that includes Russia, India and pakistan.

Politics affecting other things needs to be replaced by pragmatism over shared objectives. Which can only be achieved by diplomacy.

 


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