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  Hrolf The Ganger  19 Sep 21 8.38am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Where do you want me to start? There’s fish in a barrel feeling more secure. That sort of Danism is not sufficient. I want to know in detail what issues you have with that manifesto. You have all day, I'm busy.
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| DanH SW2 19 Sep 21 9.14am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That sort of Danism is not sufficient. I want to know in detail what issues you have with that manifesto. You have all day, I'm busy. Just off to play football this morning but I’ll go through each part of it and explain why it’s the most unrealistic, idealistic, so far detached from how the world works, badly written piece of literature I think I’ve ever had the misfortune to read later.
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| georgenorman 19 Sep 21 10.23am |
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You are wasting your time Stirling, they are like the sheep in Animal Farm.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Sep 21 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Irisheagle87
Calm down were all palace!. Just have a small problem of my own. I'm surrounded by Liverpool fans. Plz help x It's always the same in Ireland. Just remind them that Everton are the people's club of Liverpool.
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jeeagles  19 Sep 21 1.00pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
the Culture in the West & Japan - career women - low fertility ( have only one kid, or none at all ) - sky high house prices ( career women & dole ) - high levels of education - high taxation & State regulation - the normalisation of people reproducing with outsiders from an out-culture. ( as witnessed in Faroe Islands or Croydon ). - insular individualism. Loss of the extended family & group identity - everybody losing collective-community & staring at an electronic screen all day - the 40 year old virgin, living with mum & dad, unemployed. is that you? Maybe you and Hrolf should build bunk beds? ..................... all of the above culture is at complete variance with Islam, old school Christianity, or much of the Third World. They think we are all mad, and they may be right. Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Sep 2021 12.17pm) Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Sep 2021 12.33pm) I'm pretty sure you've just recited the sermon on the mount. Always funny when the nutters start going on about our Christian country with Christian values.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 19 Sep 21 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
I'm pretty sure you've just recited the sermon on the mount. Always funny when the nutters start going on about our Christian country with Christian values. a proud atheist myself. It is noteworthy that more blood has been shed for religion than anything else. Culture War ? or Religious war ?
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kuge  Peckham 21 Sep 21 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
With more footballers choosing not to kneel before games, I wonder how long it will be before the media stop reporting the tiny amount of online abuse and claim it all to be a success. The latest Sky News adverts telling us how unbiased they are really makes me grin. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Sep 2021 9.13am) Are you claiming that racism is no longer a problem in football and more generally in the UK? The keeling is a reaction to abuse that these players have received and continue to receive. The fact that they get abused for taking the knee demonstrates that it is needed.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Sep 21 9.28am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
With more footballers choosing not to kneel before games, I wonder how long it will be before the media stop reporting the tiny amount of online abuse and claim it all to be a success. The latest Sky News adverts telling us how unbiased they are really makes me grin. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Sep 2021 9.13am) Such a waste of time that here you are still discussing it...
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Teddy Eagle  21 Sep 21 9.29am |
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Originally posted by kuge
Are you claiming that racism is no longer a problem in football and more generally in the UK? The keeling is a reaction to abuse that these players have received and continue to receive. The fact that they get abused for taking the knee demonstrates that it is needed. Kneeling now takes three seconds and in a lot of cases looks as though players are stretching their hamstrings rather than registering a display of solidarity.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Sep 21 9.29am |
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Originally posted by kuge
Are you claiming that racism is no longer a problem in football and more generally in the UK? The keeling is a reaction to abuse that these players have received and continue to receive. The fact that they get abused for taking the knee demonstrates that it is needed.
A good indication of how racist Britain is are the vast numbers of immigrants who wish to come here. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Sep 2021 9.30am)
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| jeeagles 21 Sep 21 9.33am |
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Originally posted by kuge
Are you claiming that racism is no longer a problem in football and more generally in the UK? The keeling is a reaction to abuse that these players have received and continue to receive. The fact that they get abused for taking the knee demonstrates that it is needed. What's more concerning is how Hrolf wakes up, then goes to HoL and complains about players taking the knee. How much time does he spend fretting over a gesture that lasts a few seconds on a Saturday.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 21 Sep 21 9.37am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
What's more concerning is how Hrolf wakes up, then goes to HoL and complains about players taking the knee. How much time does he spend fretting over a gesture that lasts a few seconds on a Saturday. Since you initially complained that I responded to you, I'm going to take my own advice and ignore your juvenile abuse from now on. Your online abuse will be pointless from now on, just like you. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Sep 2021 9.40am)
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| jeeagles 21 Sep 21 10.02am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Since you initially complained that I responded to you, I'm going to take my own advice and ignore your juvenile abuse from now on. Your online abuse will be pointless from now on, just like you. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Sep 2021 9.40am) Play the victim
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| kuge Peckham 21 Sep 21 10.35am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
the Culture in the West & Japan - career women - low fertility ( have only one kid, or none at all ) - sky high house prices ( career women & dole ) - high levels of education - high taxation & State regulation - the normalisation of people reproducing with outsiders from an out-culture. ( as witnessed in Faroe Islands or Croydon ). - insular individualism. Loss of the extended family & group identity - everybody losing collective-community & staring at an electronic screen all day - the 40 year old virgin, living with mum & dad, unemployed. ..................... all of the above culture is at complete variance with Islam, old school Christianity, or much of the Third World. They think we are all mad, and they may be right. Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Sep 2021 12.17pm) Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Sep 2021 12.33pm) It is difficult to make sense of this stream of consciousness but I will make an effort. I presume this is a list of things that you feel threatened or upset by? You must be very frightened, vulnerable and unhappy. I take no solace in knowing this and I would like to help you feel more comfortable in our contemporary condition. I think that it is only through coming to terms with what worries you and understanding why this is that you can acknowledge that society is a multi-stranded thing and that conformity leads to tension. First off there are one or two issues that I completely agree with, such as the wealth gap that has put housing and other basic human needs beyond the reach of many. Why this has come about is a very big subject and perhaps something to discuss elsewhere. Much of what you raise concerns sexual relationships and the structure of society. It would appear that you would advocate a return to a society where people are oppressed and persecuted for their sexuality and women are unable to work. The question is why? Do you feel personally oppressed by women that hold positions of power? Perhaps you are unable to communicate well with women so you have been unable to understand how they feel and what they want? Although the political right often places freedom at the centre of their economic ideas in many cases the reverse applies to social issues. This desire to control how other people wish to live their lives stems in general I believe from anxiety and fear. If freedom means anything it is the ability to live your life in the way that you want. The form of your augment being folded back on itself makes it hard to discern exactly what you are trying to say. If I am correct you believe that we should return to a society where religion closely controls all aspects of society. That being the case it’s pre-reformation England that you pinning for. As it might be argued that when Henry VIII broke with Rome in 1535 that he set in motion the forces that brought about the modern secular socially liberal society that you find so terrifying. I am interested to know why to have grouped the West and Japan. You are mistaken to believe that the Japanese people hold the same moral or political views as the west. In many areas, Japan lags far behind, especially in relation to the treatment of women. Sadly you might think that this is a good thing. Although it is not evident on casual acquaintance with Japanese culture Shinto and Buddhism have created a complex structure within Japanese society that is completely different to western thinking. The main aspect of this that is relevant to this discussion is that Japanese people place the success of society above the success of the self. This has been a key advantage in the post-war boom but less so in recent decades. You write about ‘they’ without saying who ‘they’ are. Can you perhaps be clearer on this?
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| rikz Croydon 21 Sep 21 10.55am |
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Originally posted by kuge
Are you claiming that racism is no longer a problem in football and more generally in the UK? The keeling is a reaction to abuse that these players have received and continue to receive. The fact that they get abused for taking the knee demonstrates that it is needed. If racism was that much of a problem in football then why are 40% of Premier league footballers black ? I thought the kneeling was in support of BLM ?
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| kuge Peckham 21 Sep 21 11.38am |
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Originally posted by rikz
If racism was that much of a problem in football then why are 40% of Premier league footballers black ? I thought the kneeling was in support of BLM ? It is because a large number of professional footballers are black that racism is a problem in football. As to why players take the knee they have clearly stated on many occasions that they do it to draw attention to racism both in football and more widely in society.
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| kuge Peckham 21 Sep 21 11.39am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A good indication of how racist Britain is are the vast numbers of immigrants who wish to come here. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Sep 2021 9.30am) Relativity is an interesting angle. As we all know the attention that Palace attracts in the press is relatively less than that afforded to other clubs. This is disappointing but logical. It does not mean that Palace is not important just that others don’t recognise the importance for Palace to be equal to say Man U. The same argument might be made to the level of attention given to particle physics in comparison to Love Island. The former is quite clearly of greater importance but it is generally ignored. If racism is not a problem that requires attention to be drawn to it then perhaps we can at least agree that there is a small racist minority in the UK that seeks to propagate racist views? As you say, minorities seeking to exert power and influence by playing the race card. No matter how small this group is it is legitimate for those that believe racism to be wrong (nearly everyone) to take action against them. The companies that have supported the actions are as you say doing it for commercial purposes. The support of popular ideas will always attract companies seeking commercial gain. That does not make them insincere people, it’s just good business. Supporting popular morally correct views is essential to their commercial success. I have no doubt that many companies would take the opposite position if they thought it would help sell more of what they make. The argument that the problem is minor and not worth bothering with does not carry much weight. Just suppose that this was true, all it would mean is that we are doubling down on something that is rare but when it happens abhorrent. What can possibly be the problem with that? It could be seen as a precautionary action, like wearing a seat belt. Immigrants are as you say seeking to come to Britain because they preserve it to be a liberal democracy that will offer them asylum from the wars and oppressive regimes that they are fleeing. You offer this up as evidence that the UK is not a racist country. On the other hand, it is clear that some people in the UK feel uncomfortable with that image and that some will express those feelings in racist statements. Which is correct? Is the UK not that place or it is that place? I agree that online abuse can best be addressed by ignoring it, however, we must recognise that abuse whatever form it takes and wherever it comes from destroys lives. I don’t believe that saying it is happening is not giving the abusers attention, rather it highlights that it is wrong. The platform providers have to take a lot more responsibility here. There is a difference between ignoring something because it is of little concern and ignoring something because it is pervasive.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 21 Sep 21 12.13pm |
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Originally posted by kuge
Relativity is an interesting angle. As we all know the attention that Palace attracts in the press is relatively less than that afforded to other clubs. This is disappointing but logical. It does not mean that Palace is not important just that others don’t recognise the importance for Palace to be equal to say Man U. The same argument might be made to the level of attention given to particle physics in comparison to Love Island. The former is quite clearly of greater importance but it is generally ignored. If racism is not a problem that requires attention to be drawn to it then perhaps we can at least agree that there is a small racist minority in the UK that seeks to propagate racist views? As you say, minorities seeking to exert power and influence by playing the race card. No matter how small this group is it is legitimate for those that believe racism to be wrong (nearly everyone) to take action against them. The companies that have supported the actions are as you say doing it for commercial purposes. The support of popular ideas will always attract companies seeking commercial gain. That does not make them insincere people, it’s just good business. Supporting popular morally correct views is essential to their commercial success. I have no doubt that many companies would take the opposite position if they thought it would help sell more of what they make. The argument that the problem is minor and not worth bothering with does not carry much weight. Just suppose that this was true, all it would mean is that we are doubling down on something that is rare but when it happens abhorrent. What can possibly be the problem with that? It could be seen as a precautionary action, like wearing a seat belt. Immigrants are as you say seeking to come to Britain because they preserve it to be a liberal democracy that will offer them asylum from the wars and oppressive regimes that they are fleeing. You offer this up as evidence that the UK is not a racist country. On the other hand, it is clear that some people in the UK feel uncomfortable with that image and that some will express those feelings in racist statements. Which is correct? Is the UK not that place or it is that place? I agree that online abuse can best be addressed by ignoring it, however, we must recognise that abuse whatever form it takes and wherever it comes from destroys lives. I don’t believe that saying it is happening is not giving the abusers attention, rather it highlights that it is wrong. The platform providers have to take a lot more responsibility here. There is a difference between ignoring something because it is of little concern and ignoring something because it is pervasive.
Exactly which is why I am against taking the knee.* It's not just racism but all sorts of nasty and illegal stuff such as online stalking, slut shaming, revenge p***. child p*** etc none of which the online providers do enough about. *Taking the knee is just gesture politics, the players and other celebs have the power if they choose to use it. For instance start a campaign "Blackout Friday" everybody chooses not to use social media that day led by the players. However the lack of players threatening to come off social media indicates that they are more concerned about their social media presence and money making than about being serious in tackling the issue. Taking the knee doesn't get the job done.
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