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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 21 Sep 21 1.12pm Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm glad we agree... Even if you had to sandwich it between a pile of virtue signalling waffle.

I am sure there is a great deal that we might agree on.

To dismiss what I wrote as waffle and virtue signalling is in itself an ad hominem and as such does not address the issues raised.

 

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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 21 Sep 21 1.22pm Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Also blacks are classed as one demographic, If you split them up, you'll see the majority who achieve in school, go to university and are In skilled jobs tend to have African names where as black British and Caribbean boys are up there with white working class males as having the poorest results in school.

So Indians, Chinese and Africans who all tend to come from fairly religious backgrounds that celebrate strong traditional family values and views where they have a two parent household tend to do better hmmmm I wonder why that could be

You are suggesting that the racism that people of colour suffer is nuanced to their origins? And that a differential in the level of single-parent families is the key. If this were true all that would be required to solve the problem is a substantial investment in education. Whilst the investment is very necessary and it would be welcome I do not think it is a simple as that.

Think that you will find if you speak to people that come from the groups you have identified as successful that they have experienced an equal amount of racism in their lives.

Also the Chinese are amongst the least religious people on the planet.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 21 Sep 21 1.33pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

I am sure there is a great deal that we might agree on.

To dismiss what I wrote as waffle and virtue signalling is in itself an ad hominem and as such does not address the issues raised.

The problem with fobbing everything off as 'virtue signalling' is that eventually actual virtue gets thrown in there too since almost every act of decency becomes cynically viewed as some kind of 'put on' designed to influence or dictate to others. It's a perspective that inevitably damages and diminishes the moral compass of anyone making it their mantra.

 

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Originally posted by kuge

I am sure there is a great deal that we might agree on.

To dismiss what I wrote as waffle and virtue signalling is in itself an ad hominem and as such does not address the issues raised.

It's fairly obvious that no reasonable person wants racism, however, no reasonable person thinks that the media and football campaign against racism is anything more than self-serving virtue signalling.

There will never be zero prejudice against anyone or anything. This is just another out of reach holy grail held up to distract people from reality.
The trouble is that every generation is full of more gullible people to manipulate.
The law does not allow for prejudice, and that's the best outcome that any minority can hope for. The war is over, but it is in the interests of corporations and politicians to keep the fight going anyway.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

The problem with fobbing everything off as 'virtue signalling' is that eventually actual virtue gets thrown in there too since almost every act of decency becomes cynically viewed as some kind of 'put on' designed to influence or dictate to others. It's a perspective that inevitably damages and diminishes the moral compass of anyone making it their mantra.

Perhaps the secret is telling one from the other.

 

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Originally posted by kuge

You are suggesting that the racism that people of colour suffer is nuanced to their origins? And that a differential in the level of single-parent families is the key. If this were true all that would be required to solve the problem is a substantial investment in education. Whilst the investment is very necessary and it would be welcome I do not think it is a simple as that.

Think that you will find if you speak to people that come from the groups you have identified as successful that they have experienced an equal amount of racism in their lives.

Also the Chinese are amongst the least religious people on the planet.

Religion is not the key factor. It is a structured, stable background that encourages positive behaviour.

 

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View kuge's Profile kuge Flag Peckham 21 Sep 21 1.45pm Send a Private Message to kuge Add kuge as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Religion is not the key factor. It is a structured, stable background that encourages positive behaviour.

I can agree with that. Although we might need to define what constitutes structured.

 

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Originally posted by kuge

I can agree with that. Although we might need to define what constitutes structured.

Structure is perhaps a rather clumsy word. More an upbringing that promotes a framework of personal discipline and morality which complements society.
In other words, one that keeps you on the straight and narrow rather than getting into undesirable pursuits.

Good parenting and a positive environment.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 21 Sep 21 2.14pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

So let's take saka for example, received racist tweets from a dozen twitter troll accounts after the euros final, was given a standing ovation by every spurs fans in the friendly then every Brentford fan o the first game back, so 12 vs say 50,000 doesn't seem like a massive problem to me. It's sensationalised in the media as its an emotive subject and is no more than clickbait.

Funny how we live in such a racist society that in this country the highest average median wage by ethnicity is firstly British Chinese followed by British Indian and then British mixed. We are not very good at being racist.

Or we are not very good at school!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Sep 21 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Like this you mean?

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Yup but a one off is no good it needs to be weekly or a complete withdrawal. I never even noticed it this one how many other people missed it including the social media companies.

It's not just social media players need to go after UEFA and FIFA and their shameless pathetic small fines for whole stadiums abusing players.

Hit em where it hurts, threaten to withdraw from the champions league and international matches. I doubt they will because that means the players will suffer as well.

Well if you want to be taken seriously you have to have skin in the game.

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 21 Sep 21 2.42pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by kuge

You are suggesting that the racism that people of colour suffer is nuanced to their origins? And that a differential in the level of single-parent families is the key. If this were true all that would be required to solve the problem is a substantial investment in education. Whilst the investment is very necessary and it would be welcome I do not think it is a simple as that.

Think that you will find if you speak to people that come from the groups you have identified as successful that they have experienced an equal amount of racism in their lives.

Also the Chinese are amongst the least religious people on the planet.

There's a massive difference between racism and systemic racism, I'm sure they've all been called names, along with overweight kids, ginger kids etc in this country it doesn't matter what colour or religion you are, if you work hard enough you can achieve whatever you want.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 21 Sep 21 2.44pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Perhaps the secret is telling one from the other.

It's a hall of mirrors, as it's always 'someone else' who is virtual signalling, and the person pointing it out who is inferring that they instead hold a genuine moral standard. In essence it's no difference from the type of behaviour it seeks to criticise.

 

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