I agree but they will only sack him if he goes to prison. Unfortunately the expensive lawyers who will represent him will do their utmost to dig up dirt on the young lady. She is in for a rough time but having seen the photos, not as rough as what he gave her. Total scum

You obviously don’t live in Rochdale

The allegations are horrific and do appear damning against Greenwood, but this is trial by Social media and is wrong on every level.

Half of all Social Media content is lies, more is misleading and the rest is opinionated spin. This should not be forgotten. The Police, with the necessary experience, access and means will investigate this, and it should be the courts judgement who is guilty of what.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

I don't know why this needed to be posted on Instagram, rather than reported to the police. If guilty, career over.

Red and Blue Army!

You'd struggle to come up with any reasonable explanation for the accusation, audio and images beyond it being exactly what it looks and sounds like - I get your overarching point, but in this case it feels a bit like Boris' 'wait for the report' when everyone knows the reality.

The facts must be established first.

There are statements from the father that don't make much sense in relation to the media release.....and no personally I don't view Instagram as a valid method to start the process.

I get the disgust and that audio is indeed disgusting and images as well, if they pan out....at the very least Greenwood has a case to answer and at the worst jail time for rape. However, we are not lynch mobs and do not take someone's liberty away without due and proper process that ensures that justice isn't only seen to be done....but actually done.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jan 2022 12.11pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

did Marlon King continue to get lucrative contracts even after it was evident he was a 'wrong un' ?

Having a criminal record should de-bar anybody from Professional Football.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

I don't agree - there are no circumstances where that audio is acceptable. It sounds just like him, she uses his name, they have a known history together... so regardless of the rest, I can be 99% confident that is him I'm listening to, and I can therefore be 100% confident that he's an utter scumbag. I don't need a load of bluster from expensive lawyers to be sure of that.

You don't need to view Instagram as valid - the victim of the abuse decided it was her best course of action, and it worked. It is these type of narratives on how you're supposed to react which really damage victim's credibility. I also think your first reaction being to question whether the blood is real is unhelpful, to put it politely.

Given how hard it is for women to get a conviction on these types of charges, I do not at all agree that the court trial is when we can decide how to react - it is essentially fact that Ronaldo has raped someone, and yet he is drowned in adoration every week.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (31 Jan 2022 12.34pm)

I don't/can't agree with this. We live in a society whereby guilt and punishment are to be decided in a court of law, and not offered out to society for mob justice.

To say that 'the victim of the abuse decided it was her best course of action, and it worked' tells me that you've already decided who the victim is, and that you've already decided what the outcome should be - based on your own judgement that it sounds a bit like him in the tape. Regardless Of the what the legal system offers, he'll be forever guilty in your book.

Just because something appears to have happened as it's the most likely, or easily explainable does not mean this is what has happened.
This is why we have the system we do, and exactly the reason names and details should be kept out of the press/media until the case has been tried. But that does not sit correctly with the gossip hungry keyboard warriors ready to pass judgement on things That offends them. Furthermore, this may even hurt the case against the defendant, and increase the chances of mis-trial. I want the guilty person to be held accountable and justice to be served to whomsoever the victim is proven to be.

It's not 100%, and there are certainly sides of it that are less than ideal(out of court settlements for instance), but it's the best system we have.

I'm not saying that I necessarily think you're wrong in your assumptions - but they are only assumptions and unless you are working the case, have not verified the validity of any of the claims made or any of the evidence submitted by Instagram. You have not heard both sides of the story, and so making those assumptions on half of the data.

Finally, I agree that it's hard for a Woman to get convictions for these types of charges. but what would you prefer? A system where someone shouts Rape, and an innocent gets jailed?

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

In an ideal world the Criminal Justice System ensures that the majority of cases are trialled and those found guilty convicted. In reality pretty much no one gets convicted of rape (less than 2% of cases brought to the police ended in conviction last year [Link] ) and the system is struggling to address the issue due to government cuts alongside other issues like the Catch 22 scenario whereby the police see little point in taking cases to court due to the lack of convictions.

If Greenwood is guilty then I hope he is dealt with to the full extent of the law as a lesson (as if one should be needed) that his actions were abhorrent and will end in jail. The reality is if there's a way out his expensively assembled legal team will find it.

As an aside, is there a bigger issue at United? They now have Ronaldo, Greenwood and Maguire who have been accused of serious crimes, two of which have seemingly escaped any real punishment. There were also stories in the media about an escort giving services to a few of their players. Maybe there's a deeper problem at the club?

Edited by taylors lovechild (31 Jan 2022 2.47pm)